<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590</id><updated>2012-02-25T10:45:35.400-08:00</updated><category term='Epistemology'/><category term='Common Questions'/><category term='Genre'/><category term='Evil'/><category term='Debates'/><category term='Events and Announcements'/><category term='Existence of God'/><category term='Philosophy'/><category term='Gay Marriage'/><category term='Textual Criticism'/><category term='Holy Spirit'/><category term='Prophecy and Typology'/><category term='Fine Tuning'/><category term='Miracles'/><category term='Trinity'/><category term='Apocrypha'/><category term='Psychology'/><category term='Pornography'/><category term='Poll Data'/><category term='Virgin Birth'/><category term='The Gospel'/><category term='Genesis and Creation'/><category term='Genealogies'/><category term='History'/><category term='Worldview'/><category term='Jesus'/><category term='Abortion'/><category term='Deity of Jesus'/><category term='UK Apologetics Talks'/><category term='Mormonism'/><category term='Apologetics UK Interview'/><category term='Resurrection'/><category term='Islam'/><category term='Alleged pagan parallels'/><category term='Jehovah&apos;s Witnesses'/><category term='Theodicy'/><category term='Sunday Quote'/><category term='Arianism'/><category term='David Hume'/><category term='Intelligent Design'/><category term='Science'/><category term='Richard Dawkins'/><category term='Peter Tatchell'/><category term='UK'/><category term='Cults'/><category term='Politics and Society'/><category term='Apologetics UK Talks'/><category term='Humour / Parodies'/><category term='Evolution'/><category term='Petitions'/><category term='Christian Theology'/><category term='Gospels'/><category term='Song of Songs'/><category term='Colossians'/><category term='Crucifixion'/><category term='Bart Ehrman'/><category term='Education'/><category term='What is Apologetics'/><category term='Acts of the Apostles'/><category term='Levitical Law'/><title type='text'>Christian Apologetics UK</title><subtitle type='html'>But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
- 1 Peter 3:15 &amp;amp; 16</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>112</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-5488489455108203120</id><published>2012-02-25T09:13:00.005-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-25T09:33:37.210-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Existence of God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fine Tuning'/><title type='text'>The Argument From Cosmic Fine Tuning</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_q6Nab66uaY/T0kZPQKW_VI/AAAAAAAAAMU/eSFydG5InVQ/s1600/BigBang.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 344px; height: 288px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_q6Nab66uaY/T0kZPQKW_VI/AAAAAAAAAMU/eSFydG5InVQ/s320/BigBang.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5713125352123333970" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The concept of cosmic fine tuning relates to a unique property of our universe whereby the physical constants and laws are observed to be balanced on a ‘razor’s edge’ for permitting the emergence of complex life. The degree to which the constants of physics must match precise criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded that indeed there is some sort of transcendent purpose behind the cosmic arena. British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle writes: “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Fundamental Constants&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ripples in the universe left over from the original ‘Big Bang’ singularity (often referred to as CMB, or cosmic background radiation) are detectable at one part in 10^5 (100,000). If this factor were even slightly smaller, the cosmos would exist exclusively as a collection of gas -- stars, planets and galaxies would not exist. Conversely, if this factor were increased slightly, the universe would consist only of large black holes. Either way, the universe would be uninhabitable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another finely tuned value is the strong nuclear force that holds atoms -- and therefore matter -- together. The sun derives its ‘fuel’ from fusing hydrogen atoms together. When two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass of the hydrogen atoms is converted into energy. If the amount of matter converted were slightly smaller -- say, 0.6% instead of 0.7% -- a proton would not be able to bond to a neutron and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. Without the presence of heavy elements, planets would not form and hence no life would be possible. Conversely, if the amount of matter converted were increased to 0.8% instead of 0.7%, fusion would occur so rapidly that no hydrogen would remain. Again, the result would be no planets, no solar systems and hence no life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ratio of electrons to protons must be finely balanced to a degree of one part in 10^37. If this fundamental constant were to be any larger or smaller than this, the electromagnetism would dominate gravity -- preventing the formation of galaxies, stars and planets. Again, life would not be possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ratio of the electromagnetic force to gravity must be finely balanced to a degree of one part in 10^40. If this value were to be increased slightly, all stars would be at least 40% more massive than our Sun. This would mean that stellar burning would be too brief and too uneven to support complex life. If this value were to be decreased slightly, all stars would be at least 20% less massive than the sun. This would render them incapable of producing heavy elements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rate at which the universe expands must be finely tuned to one part in 10^55. If the universe expanded too fast, matter would expand too quickly for the formation of stars, planets and galaxies. If the universe expanded too slowly, the universe would quickly collapse -- before the formation of stars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The mass density of the universe is finely balanced to permit life to a degree of one part in 10^59. If the universe were slightly more massive, an overabundance of deuterium from the big bang would cause stars to burn too rapidly for the formation of complex life. If the universe were slightly less massive, an insufficiency of helium would result in a shortage of the heavy elements -- again, resulting in no life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Mass of the Cosmos&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The density of protons and neutrons in the cosmos relates to the cosmic mass density. That density determines just how much hydrogen fuses into heavier elements during the first few moments after the origin of the universe. In turn, the amount of heavier elements determines how much additional heavy-element production occurs later in the nuclear furnaces or stars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What would be the consequence if the respective density of neutrons and protons were significantly lower? Firstly, nuclear fusion would occur with less efficiency. Consequently, the heavier elements such as carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, sodium and potassium -- all of which are essential for the emergence of physical life -- would not be formed. Moreover, assuming no additional cosmic density factors such as dark energy, a cosmos which possesses less mass density would prohibit the formation of stars and planets. Why? The expansion rate would be so big that matter would expand too quickly for gravity to pull together the gas and dust to allow their formation. If that were not enough, with only a little extra mass, the cosmos would expand so slowly that all stars in the cosmos would quickly turn into black holes and neutron stars. The density near the surface of such bodies would be so enormous that molecules would be impossible. Therefore, life would not be possible. The radiation from the formed black holes and neutron stars would also render physical life an impossibility at any point in a universe with such a high density.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conversely, what would be the effect if the density of protons and neutrons in the cosmos were to be significantly higher? Nuclear fusion would be too productive, meaning that all the hydrogen in the universe would rapidly fuse into elements heavier than iron. The ultimate result is the same -- the life-essential elements would not exist. Moreover, if the cosmic mass density were to be greater, gas and dust would condense so effectively under gravity’s influence that all stars would be much more massive than the Sun. Thus, planets would not be life-permitting because of the intensity of the radiation of their respective star, and additionally because of the rapid changes in the stars’ temperature and radiation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The mass of the universe exhibits cosmic fine tuning to simultaneously permit two features which are essential for permitting life: (1) the correct diversity and quantity of elements; and (2) the appropriate rate of cosmic expansion required to allow life. Such cosmic fine-tuning bespeaks foresight and planning -- indicators of intelligent design.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Our Place in the Universe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There exist many physical factors that must be precisely set for any planet to be hospitable to life. Life must be in the right type of galaxy. There are three types of galaxies (elliptical, irregular and spiral). Elliptical galaxies lack the heavy elements needed to support life. Irregular galaxies have too many supernova explosions. Only spiral galaxies can foster life. The Milky Way is a spiral galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Life must also be in the right location in the galaxy. We are situated in the right place in the Milky Way. If we were too close to the centre of the galaxy (closer to the black hole), harmful radiation would make life impossible. Conversely, if our planet was too far out in the periphery, not enough heavy elements would be available for the construction of habitable planets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Life must also have the right type of star. Stars act as energy sources for life. Most stars are too large, too bright or too unstable to support life. The size and age of the sun enhances the earth’s hospitality. If the earth were moved 1% closer to the sun, bodies of water would vaporize, and life would not be possible. If the earth were as much as 2% farther from the sun, its waters would freeze. Earth has a nearly circular orbit, which ensures a nearly constant distance from the sun -- ensuring that seasonal changes are not too severe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other planets in our solar system contribute greatly to earth’s habitability. For example, the massive gas giant Jupiter acts as a cosmic vacuum cleaner, protecting the earth from incoming comets. Likewise, Mars protects the earth from incoming asteroids.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If earth did not have a moon of the right shape and size, our planet would not be able to sustain life. The moon stabilizes the earth’s tilt, in turn preventing extreme temperatures and creating a stable, bio-friendly environment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are many other factors which influence the habitability of the earth. The few examples here detailed unequivocally demonstrate that indeed the earth is a privileged planet, another indicator of intelligent design.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Is the Universe Designed for Discovery?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2004, Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards published their groundbreaking book, “The Privileged Planet”, in which they argued that the conditions most suited for life also provided the best overall setting for making scientific discoveries. In other words, our planet is not merely fine-tuned for life, but it is also finely-tuned for discovery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One example is the phenomenon known as solar eclipses. People have witnessed solar eclipses for millennia, but only recently have we begun to notice a remarkable correlation: The only place in our solar system where a perfect solar eclipse can be observed happens to be the only place where there are observers. There are hundreds of moons in our solar system, but most moons cannot entirely eclipse the sun. Of all the places in our solar system, only on earth do the sun and moon appear the same size to observers. This is because the sun is both approximately 400 times larger than the moon and roughly 400 times farther away. Solar eclipses have played a significant role in scientific discovery, having helped physicists to confirm Einstein’s general theory of relativity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Milky Way, as a spiral galaxy -- in addition to being the only biofriendly kind of galaxy -- is relatively flat. Consequently, it has less gas and dust than others, and fewer stars impede our view of the rest of the universe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Earth is located not only in the galactic habitable zone, but also in the right place where minimal light pollution and other visual obstructions might impede the view of our surroundings. Moreover, earth’s atmosphere -- which is the only one we know of which can support life -- is also the only one clear enough to allow us to observe the universe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such findings place naturalists (who see us and our place in the cosmos as nothing more than accidents) in an uncomfortable position. But it makes a lot of sense to theists, who see us and our place in the cosmos as fully intended by an intelligent creator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To believe that the facts and figures here detailed amount to no more than happy coincidence, without doubt constitutes a greater exercise of faith than that of the Christian who affirms the theistic design of the universe. Such scientific insights over the last several decades have led the late Robert Jastrow -- a self-proclaimed agnostic -- to write: “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;" href="http://allaboutscience.org/cosmic-fine-tuning.htm"&gt;This blog post was adapted from a previous article published on AllAboutScience.org.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5488489455108203120?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5488489455108203120/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/argument-from-cosmic-fine-tuning.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' 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width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1346837530397092472</id><published>2012-02-25T04:57:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-25T04:58:54.697-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Abortion'/><title type='text'>News Bulletin 24 February 2012 -- The Christian Institute</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="600" height="400" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qHG-HGDBAhE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1346837530397092472?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' 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href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/did-jesus-deny-his-deity-when-he-said.html' title='Did Jesus Deny His Deity When He Said He Didn&apos;t Know The Day or Hour of the Second Coming?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/4_IJsTymWjo/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-3166703186114716361</id><published>2012-02-23T02:44:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-25T10:07:40.495-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Debates'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Peter Tatchell'/><title type='text'>A Short Summary and Critique of Peter Tatchell's Arguments for Same Sex Marriage</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yq-FLlu8Q_M/T0ZLnaZO-wI/AAAAAAAAASU/CWnRsQqcM7A/s1600/Gay-marriage.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yq-FLlu8Q_M/T0ZLnaZO-wI/AAAAAAAAASU/CWnRsQqcM7A/s200/Gay-marriage.jpg" width="135" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;If you ever open a newspaper or turn on the TV you should be aware about the current drive to change the definition of marriage to include same sex couples. I've just finished watching a short discussion on the issue and thought I would weigh in with a brief summary and response to some of the arguments made by the prominent same sex marriage activist Peter Tatchell. This is by no means meant to be an extensive response to the complexities of the subject, but just a few quick points on the matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;But we love each other&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marriage is more than just two people loving each other, at its core it is an institution between one man and one women for the principle of having and raising children in a safe and healthy environment. If we are to follow the argument that love alone is the key factor in marriage then we are legitimately entitled to ask same sex marriage advocates why they are not in support and '&lt;i&gt;tolerant&lt;/i&gt;' of plural marriage, and if not why not since they also evidently love each other. Many critics argue that legalised same sex marriage won't necessarilly lead to plural marriage but when nearly every argument flows from the same logic its difficult to argue that this won't be the case. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Its intolerant...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Being tolerant used to mean that you could disagree with something or someone yet still treat them respectfully and without scorn, for instance I don't agree with Muslims that Islam is true. Yet I treat Muslims with respect and have Muslim friends, it is quite possible to disagree agreeably, I don't think anyone would argue that disagreement is synonymous with me being intolerant or being Islamophobic. However if one is to disagree with the case for same sex marriage you are automatically branded as intolerant and homophobic which seems wholly unfair. The fear of being branded as such has meant many people feel pressured to agree or risk being at the brunt of a rhetorical avalanche from same sex marriage advocates. If same sex marriage advocates were so serious about being tolerant its surprising they are ideologically opposed to being tolerant of those who oppose redefining marriage, the inconsistency of the way tolerance is used is telling. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Its about our rights...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is argued regularly that its about rights, but in fact same sex partners in civil partnerships have all the same rights as those who are married do here in the UK, with the name designating an inherent difference between the two. From a legal perspective civil partnerships have access to all the benefits, responsibilities and rights that married couples do, as seen below&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Benefits that are income-related will be considered in                       regards to joint treatment&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Tax, including inheritance tax&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Benefits from state pensions will also become a joint                       treatment&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; The duty of providing maintenance to your partner and                       any children of either party&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Each party of the union will become a parental figure                       and thus become responsible for any children either person                       may have&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Inheritance in regards to an agreement of tenancy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Domestic violence protection&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Access to compensation of fatal accidents&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Succeed to rights of tenancy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; The registration of civil partnership will have merit                       for the purposes of immigration&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Hospital visiting rights as next of kin&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Like traditional marriage, those that are involved in                       a civil partnership are exempt from being required to testify                       in court against one another&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Each partner has the responsibility to be assessed for                       child support, in the same manner as that of civil marriages&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Treatment comparable to that of a civil marriage in regards                       to life assurance&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Benefits that arise from Pension and Employment &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.civilpartnershipinfo.co.uk/"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;So as you can see it has nothing to do with desiring equal rights, responsibilities and benefits that married couples have since they already have them. This demonstrates that at its heart this has little to do with rights but with an ideology that wants to enforce its views on society with little regard to the long term effects on society. Such affects as demeaning the institution of marriage itself, legalisation of same sex marriage in Scandinavia and the Netherlands has slowly eroded the value of marriage in these cultures and it would be presumptuous to think that this would not be the case here in the UK&lt;b&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/10/death_of_marriage_in_scandinavia/"&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Names are important, they distinguish between different things or people, in this case a civil partnership and marriage, although the rights are similar when it comes to function and the practical aspects of the union we are talking about something very different. Marriage provides an environment that as stated earlier is for the &lt;i&gt;principle &lt;/i&gt;of having and nurturing those children to adulthood. Out of &lt;i&gt;principle&lt;/i&gt; same-sex couples cannot do this since they must always involve a third person, this is just one of several differences, when things are in fact different it is necessary for there to be a distinction in the terms used to describe different institution's. Hence marriage and civil partnerships are different and it seems legitimate to distinguish between the two of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also it should be added that homosexual people have the same rights to marry as heterosexuals dependant on that person being of the right age, marital status and sex, taking into account the traditional definition of marriage. There have always been limitations, for instance an adult does not have the right to marry a child or an immediate family member. Marriage denotes a life-long partnership between one man and women, that is an inherent part of its definition, seeking to change it is like trying to redefine a decade as something other than ten years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;It's racist...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a wholly cheap, and illogical argument that holds no weight and should be avoided by those whom seek to persuade critics of same sex marriage. There is simply no comparison between the fight for American civil rights and the previous bans on interracial marriage and the struggle for recognition of same sex marriage today and to do so is to put it bluntly, historically ignorant. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing in interracial marriage would have redefined traditional heterosexual marriage since it included one man and one women, removing the laws that banned it didn't redefine marriage and instead confirmed it. Race and ethnicity are insignificant in terms of marriage where as gender is clearly significant if marriage is defined as a union between one man and one women only. Clearly, arguing that race, something that can't be changed is in the same category as a type of sexual &lt;i&gt;behaviour &lt;/i&gt;is a category mistake since there is evidence that people can and have changed sexual preferences where as it is impossible to change ones race&lt;b&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42379/"&gt;[3]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Some research...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the principles of marriage is to promote the stability of a stable home environment for children to be nurtured and to see good examples through their parents about what it means to be a man or a women. Men and women are different and these differences are what create the possibility of forming a life-long union. Marriage is supposed to promote stability, however within the homosexual community monogamy and commitment are not synonymous with the way heterosexual couples may use the terms. Relationships within the homosexual community are noticeably more about &lt;i&gt;sex &lt;/i&gt;than about an all encompassing, life-long commitment to just one person. Research again and again has supported the claim that homosexuals are more promiscuous both in and out of a relationship setting, something that has obvious implications if one were to redefine marriage. A Canadian study of homosexual men recorded that only 25% of homosexual men in a committed relationship lasting longer than one year had remained monogamous during that relationship, the studies author had this to say  &lt;i&gt;"Gay culture allows men to explore different...forms of       relationships besides the monogamy coveted by heterosexuals." &lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;[4]&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Another study that looked at 156 homosexual relationships by David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison discovered that only 7 couples remained completely exclusive and monogamous during the time together, however those 7 couples had all been together for less than 5 years. This means that all of the homosexual couples that had been together for more than 5 years had made some provision for extra-relational sexual activity in their relationships&lt;b&gt; [5]&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly this suggests that monogamy and fidelity are not viewed in the same way in the community and there is no doubt that this will have dramatic implications if it is acceptable for future married couples to function in a way where it is acceptable to remain promiscuous in a &lt;i&gt;stable&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;committed&lt;/i&gt; 'marriage'. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now some will suggest that people within heterosexual marriages still have extra-marital sexual partners which clearly is not perfect however there is a dramatic and marked difference in rates of fidelity. Fidelity between married couples is between 75-90% yet homosexual men in what was their current relationship was as low as 4.5%&lt;b&gt; [6]&lt;/b&gt;. If marriage is contingent upon commitment and marital faithfulness then the differences between how they are viewed are of the highest importance and to pretend that these differences don't exist is to set marriage in the direction of irrelevance it now is in Scandinavia and the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same-sex couples are also more likely to break up than relationships between heterosexual couples, this has obvious implications when children are brought into the equation &lt;b&gt;[7]&lt;/b&gt;. We already know that the best environment is within a stable family environment, so it brings into question whether we should be supportive of an addition to the institution of marriage that we know may increase the likelihood of more broken families.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is also a pool of research that suggest that same-sex couples are more likely to be victim's of domestic violence and abuse, again within a family unit where children may be involved should we be supporting same-sex marriage when there may be an increased likelihood that children will be witnesses to violence and abuse between their 'parents'? In a survey of 1099 lesbians, over half stated that they had been victims of some form of abuse from a sexual partner &lt;b&gt;[8]&lt;/b&gt;. Domestic violence among male same sex couples in some studies has been over double that of heterosexual couples &lt;b&gt;[9]&lt;/b&gt;. Now I'm not trying to tar all gay couples with the same brush but such statistics are particularly significant taking into account the seriousness of the proposed changes to society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;In Conclusion...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Peter Tatchell's arguments used in support of same-sex marriage during his short discussion were unconvincing and depended far more on misusing rhetorical buzz-words like tolerance and rights without providing anything of substance that would suggest that redefining marriage is necessary. It is not intolerant to be unsupportive of same-sex marriage especially when a lawful institution already exists in civil partnerships that gives them all the rights and responsibilities they had previously been campaigning for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The legalising of same-sex marriage and its subsequent redefinition has had dramatic effects in the value of marriage where this has been the case and this should be openly discussed, not hidden from those who generally only hear one side of the story. If we are as a nation to be asked about radically redefining one of our oldest social institutions we should at the very least be well informed about the possible side-effects on our society and families. Clearly heterosexual relationships function differently from homosexual ones, men and women are wired differently physiologically and when two people of the same sex are in a relationship this undoubtedly will play out in the relationship, we ignore this at our peril. Longer-term same-sex relationships differ from heterosexual on several levels, such as duration, promiscuity, commitment and inter-relational violence all of which have obvious effects on how we would think about marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A side note...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have a range of friends from the LGBT community, I always without reservation treat them equally since we are all regardless of our sexual preferences created in the image of God and as a follower of Jesus I am commanded to treat others as I should expect to be treated [Mark 12:31, Matthew 22:34-40]. I do not hate or look down upon people from the LGBT community I simply do not agree that it is appropriate to redefine marriage for ideological purposes that have been demonstrated to impact both society and the family. The UK provides civil partnerships for same-sex couples and I'm of the personal opinion that, that provides a suitable way for same-sex couples to demonstrate their love and commitment to each other. It is difficult to get tone across when writing but please be assured that I have not meant to be rude, however I found Peter Tatchell's arguments to be less than convincing.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can watch the discussion for yourselves below&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xo-szMjuqaw" width="560"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Coalition for Marriage Website can be viewed &lt;a href="http://c4m.org.uk/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The Coalition For Marriage&amp;nbsp; draws from a range of both religious and secular beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[1] http://www.civilpartnershipinfo.co.uk/ [Viewed 23/2/12]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[2] http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/10/death_of_marriage_in_scandinavia/ [Viewed 23/2/12]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[3] http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42379/ [Viewed 23/2/12]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[4] &lt;span class="sub_title"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Ryan Lee,       "Gay Couples Likely to Try Non-monogamy, Study Shows," &lt;i&gt;Washington Blade       &lt;/i&gt;(August 22, 2003): 18.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[5] David P.       McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, &lt;i&gt;The Male Couple: How Relationships       Develop &lt;/i&gt;(Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1984): 252, 253.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[6] Laumann, &lt;i&gt;The Social Organization of       Sexuality&lt;/i&gt;, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, &lt;i&gt;The Male Couple: How       Relationships Develop&lt;/i&gt; (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex,"       170.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[7] Kurdek, L. A. (1998). Relationship outcomes and their predictors: Longitudinal evidence from heterosexual married, gay cohabiting, and lesbian cohabiting couples. &lt;i&gt;Journal of Marriage and Family, 60,&lt;/i&gt; 553-568.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[8]&amp;nbsp; Gwat Yong       Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian       Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,"       &lt;i&gt;Journal of Social Service Research &lt;/i&gt;15 (1991): 46.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[9]&amp;nbsp; Gwat Yong       Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian       Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,"       &lt;i&gt;Journal of Social Service Research &lt;/i&gt;15 (1991): 46.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-3166703186114716361?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' 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width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7581140510889069207</id><published>2012-02-20T08:59:00.003-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-20T09:04:28.645-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Petitions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><title type='text'>Coalition For Marriage Launched</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jp-DSoW-w_0/T0J8n5UoV2I/AAAAAAAAAMI/JJOfX6sm4bs/s1600/marriage.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 230px; height: 231px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jp-DSoW-w_0/T0J8n5UoV2I/AAAAAAAAAMI/JJOfX6sm4bs/s320/marriage.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5711264302303303522" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.christian.org.uk/news/coalition-for-marriage-launched/"&gt;From here&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"A grassroots campaign group against the redefinition of marriage in the United Kingdom has been launched today.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Coalition for Marriage (C4M) is a group of organisations and  individuals who support the current definition of marriage and opposes  any plans to redefine it. The petition can be signed online here: &lt;a href="http://c4m.org.uk/"&gt;www.c4m.org.uk&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Leading public figures including politicians from the Conservative  and Labour parties, lawyers, academics and religious leaders, have  already signed affirming that marriage is between one man and one woman  for life. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;h2 style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Underestimated&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A consultation on redefining marriage is set to be launched by the Government next month. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;C4M campaigners believe the Government has seriously underestimated the strength of opposition to its plans. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Writing in the Daily Mail, Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of  Canterbury, said: “The honourable estate of matrimony precedes both the  state and the church, and neither of these institutions have the right  to redefine it in such a fundamental way. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;h2 style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Cornerstone&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“For thousands of years, the union of one man and one woman has been  the bedrock of societies across cultures, all around the world.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;He continued: “Marriage is a cornerstone of our society. Because of  this, I believe the general public will oppose the present attempt to  fundamentally alter – and undermine – the institution.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;h2 style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Anti-democratic&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Drawing on comments made by the Home Secretary that the government’s  consultation will be about “how” and not “whether” to redefine marriage,  C4M chairman Colin Hart branded the plans “profoundly anti-democratic”.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;He said: “The 24 million married people in this country are not even  going to be asked whether they mind their marriage being redefined.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mr Hart continued: “The Government is running away from this public  debate. They are bulldozing ahead without any thought for the  consequences.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;He also said that marriage “is woven into the fabric of our national laws. That can’t be just unpicked in a single stroke”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;h2 style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Petition&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Half a million C4M petition sheets have been printed for distribution  across the nation, which is open to anyone resident in the UK and over  the age of 16. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Other notable signatories include former Lord Chancellor Lord Mackay  of Clashfern, Professor Brenda Almond, President of the Philosophical  Society of England, and Fiona Bruce MP."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a href="http://c4m.org.uk/"&gt;Go here to sign the petition!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7581140510889069207?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7581140510889069207/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/coalition-for-marriage-launched.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7581140510889069207'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7581140510889069207'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/coalition-for-marriage-launched.html' title='Coalition For Marriage Launched'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jp-DSoW-w_0/T0J8n5UoV2I/AAAAAAAAAMI/JJOfX6sm4bs/s72-c/marriage.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-4343303191913657925</id><published>2012-02-20T01:46:00.009-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-23T05:14:29.740-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Richard Dawkins'/><title type='text'>One Long Bluff: A Review of Richard Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth"</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-arGJH1QwQEI/T0IXBjLi-mI/AAAAAAAAALk/7kdRSHs17M0/s1600/dawkins.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 302px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-arGJH1QwQEI/T0IXBjLi-mI/AAAAAAAAALk/7kdRSHs17M0/s320/dawkins.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5711152592850188898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Richard Dawkins’ &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth&lt;/em&gt;  hopes to convey  and document some of the evidence which compels him to  embrace a  Darwinian perspective on origins. Dawkins is also author of &lt;em&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/em&gt; and probably today’s best known Darwinian apologist. Dawkins, in his 2009 book, &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt; lives up to his legendary reputation of creative tale-telling. &lt;p&gt;Just how strong are Richard Dawkins’  arguments? Does he present  anything new? Do his claims stand up when  subjected to careful  scrutiny? Richard Dawkins clearly thinks so. In  chapter 1 of his book,  entitled &lt;em&gt;Only a theory?&lt;/em&gt; Dawkins remarks:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Evolution is a fact.  Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond  serious doubt, beyond sane, informed,  intelligent doubt, beyond doubt  evolution is a fact. The evidence for  evolution is at least as strong  as the evidence for the Holocaust, even  allowing for eye witnesses to  the Holocaust. It is the plain truth that  we are cousins of  chimpanzees, somewhat more distant cousins of monkeys,  more distant  cousins still of aardvarks and manatees, yet more distant  cousins of  bananas and turnips…continue the list as long as desired.  That didn’t  have to be true. It is not self-evidently, tautologically,  obviously  true, and there was a time when most people, even educated  people,  thought it wasn’t. It didn’t have to be true, but it is. We know  this  because a rising flood of evidence supports it. Evolution is a  fact,  and this book will demonstrate it. No reputable scientist disputes  it,  and no unbiased reader will close the book doubting it.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;One wonders, of course, how many  times Richard Dawkins believes that  he has to rephrase the core  contention of his book in order to  legitimise it!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins further remarks:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;…Imagine you are a  teacher of recent history, and  your lessons on 20th century Europe are  boycotted…by politically  muscular groups of Holocaust deniers. The  plight of many science  teachers today is not less dire. When they  attempt to expound the  central principle of biology they are harried and  stymied, hassled and  bullied.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Such dogmatic rhetoric and ad-hominem  name-calling is highly  indicative of the level of Dawkins’  argumentation. Nonetheless, it  should be noted that no critic of  Darwinism seeks the outlawing of the  concept of evolution — or even  common descent — from the academic  environment. Rather, most critics  would argue that the significant  criticisms of Darwinism — which are, as  yet, without resolution —  should be referenced such that Darwinism is  not taught in an uncritical  fashion. Richard Dawkins’ claim, then, that  critics want to torpedo  the public education system is a simple point of  misrepresentation.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Origin of Life&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins, in &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  has very  little to say concerning the most fundamental challenge to  standard  materialistic thinking, namely the problem of life’s origin. In  chapter  13 of his book, Dawkins writes:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We  have no evidence about what the first step in  making life was, but we  do know the kind of step it must have been. It  must have been whatever  it took to get natural selection started.  Before that first step, the  sorts of improvement that only natural  selection can achieve were  impossible. And that means the key step was  the rising, by some process  as yet unknown, of a self-replicating  entity.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Dawkins is  overlooking or ignoring a host of key points here. As  Dawkins himself  concedes, natural selection can only occur in organisms  which are  capable of reproducing or replicating themselves. But surely  any  self-replicating mechanism must exhibit a definable minimal level  of  complexity, let alone the necessitude of functional, and thus  sequence  specific DNA and protein molecules. As theoretical biologist  Howard  Pattee explains in his &lt;em&gt;The Problem of Biological Hierarchy:  “There  is no evidence that hereditary evolution occurs except in cells  which  already have…the DNA, the replicating and translating enzymes,  and all  the control systems and structures necessary to reproduce  themselves.”&lt;/em&gt;  In order to invoke a materialistic pathway which can  account for the  origin of specified information in DNA, the naturalist  must invoke a  process that itself depends upon pre-existing sequence  specific DNA  molecules. Yet, the origin of these molecules is precisely  what the  thesis seeks to explain. And let us not forget that it is not  merely the  sequence of base-pairs comprising the information in DNA  which is the  chief concern at this point — but the problem becomes even  deeper when  confronted with the paradox of the origin of the genetic  code itself.  For further discussion of the origin of life and the  genetic code,  please see my articles &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/07/nick_lane_and_the_ten_great_in036101.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/08/direct_rna_templating_a_failed050121.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The RNA World&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Dawkins’ &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt; proceeds to outline the classic Catch-22 paradox which concerns the relationship of DNA to proteins. He writes:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The  ‘Catch-22’ of the origin of life is this. DNA  can replicate, but it  needs enzymes in order to catalyse the process.  Proteins can catalyse  DNA formation, but they need DNA to specify the  correct sequence of  amino acids. How could the molecules of the Early  Earth break out of  this bind and allow natural selection to get  started?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;How does Dawkins attempt to resolve this enigma? He continues:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Now  for the key point of the ‘RNA World theory’ of  the origin of life. In  addition to stretching out in a form suitable  for passing on sequence  information, RNA is also capable of  self-assembling…into  three-dimensional shapes which have enzymatic  activity. RNA enzymes do  exist. They are not as efficient as protein  enzymes, but they do work.  The RNA World theory suggests that RNA was  good enough enzyme to hold  the fort until proteins evolved to take over  the enzyme role, and that  RNA was also a good enough replicator to  muddle along in that role until  DNA evolved.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Curiously, Richard Dawkins spends no time in &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth&lt;/em&gt;   attempting to address the numerous criticisms of the RNA-first model.   For example, the formation of the first RNA molecule would have   necessitated the prior emergence of smaller constituent molecules,   including ribose sugar, phosphate molecules and the four RNA nucleotide   bases. But both synthesising and maintaining these essential RNA   molecules (particularly ribose) and the nucleotide bases is profoundly   problematic to perform under realistic prebiotic conditions.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Further,  naturally occurring RNA molecules possess very few of the  specific  enzymatic properties of proteins. Ribozymes can perform a  small handful  of the thousands of functions performed by proteins. The  inability of  RNA molecules to perform many of the functions of protein  enzymes raises  a third and related concern with regard to the  tenability of the  RNA-first model. To date, no plausible explanation  has been advanced as  to how primitive self-replicating RNA molecules  could have made the  transition into modern cellular systems which  depend heavily on a  variety of proteins to process genetic information.  Consider the  transition from a primitive replicator to a system for  building the  first proteins. Even if such a system of ribozymes for  building proteins  had arisen from an RNA replicator, that system of  molecules would still  require information-rich templates for building  specific proteins. To  date, there is no materialistic pathway by which  specified information  can be readily produced. For further discussion  of the RNA world, please  see my articles &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/08/new_scientist_weighs_in_on_ori049621.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/08/the_rna_world_a_response_to_ni049871.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Cambrian Explosion&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;To Dawkins’ credit in &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  he does  provide a reasonably detailed commentary on the geological  incident  known as the “Cambrian Explosion” (a phenomenon which is  curiously  omitted in many popular Darwinian texts) in his chapter on &lt;em&gt;“The Missing Link? – What do you mean, ‘missing’?”. &lt;/em&gt;Richard Dawkins makes reference to the famous flatworms known as the &lt;em&gt;Platyhelminthes:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;This  great phylum of worms includes the parasitic  flukes and tapeworms,  which are of great medical importance. My  favourites, however, are the  free-living tubellarian worms, of which  there are more than four  thousand species; that’s about as numerous as  all the mammal species put  together…They are common, both in water and  on land, and presumably  have been common for a very long time. You’d  expect, therefore, to see a  rich fossil history. Unfortunately, there  is almost nothing. Apart from  a handful of ambiguous trace fossils, not  a single fossil flatworm has  ever been found. The Platyhelminthes, to a  worm, are ‘already in an  advanced state of evolution, the very first  time they appear. It is as  though they were just planted there, without  any evolutionary history.’  But in this case, ‘the very first time they  appear’ is not the Cambrian  but today. Do you see what this means, or  at least ought to mean for  creationists? Creationists believe that  flatworms were created in the  same week as all other creatures. They  have therefore had exactly the  same time in which to fossilise as all  other animals. During all the  centuries when all those bony or shelly  animals were depositing happily  alongside them, but without leaving any  significant trace of their  presence in the rocks. What, then, is so  special about gaps in the  record of these animals that do fossilise,  given that the past history  of the flatworms amounts to one big gap:  even though the flatworms, by  the creationists’ own account, have been  living for the same length of  time? If the gap before the Cambrian  Explosion is used as evidence that  most animals suddenly sprang into  existence in the Cambrian, exactly the  same ‘logic’ should be used to  prove that the flatworms sprang into  existence yesterday. Yet this  contradicts the creationist’s belief that  flatworms were created during  the same creative week as everything else.  You cannot have it both  ways. This argument, at a stroke, completely  destroys the creationist  case that the Precambrian gap in the fossil  record weakens the evidence  for evolution.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Again,  Richard Dawkins is missing the point with regards to the  fossil record.  Before examining the underlying fallacy of Dawkins’  argument, let us  take a moment to consider the theological undertones  in the above text.  Theological arguments — by their very nature —  cannot be defended as a  scientific statement, and thus ought to be  given no place in scientific  discussions regarding evolution. The  subtitle of Dawkins’ book is &lt;em&gt;The Evidence for Evolution.&lt;/em&gt;  There  should be no need, therefore, to prop up Darwinism by appealing  to  theologically-related considerations. The age of the earth and the   proper interpretation of Genesis is the subject of heated debate among   Christians. While I do believe that this is a very interesting and   important issue (I personally strongly favour the view that the earth is   very ancient), it should not be featuring in scientific discourses   concerning the scientific evidence relating to evolution. Moreover, to   categorically place all Darwin-skeptics in the same category is   misleading.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Leaving that  point aside, let us turn to Richard Dawkins’  understanding of the  Cambrian explosion. First, even if we were to  grant him his premise —  namely, the contention that organisms prior to  the Cambrian were of a  non-fossilisable composition (which is  plausible) — this is not the  point in question. Indeed, it is to be  expected that non-skeletonized  predecessors ought to leave few if any  fossils. If it were the case,  therefore, that one evolving line  appeared suddenly in the fossil  record, once it reached the stage of  being fossilizable, then Dawkins  might have a point here. But the real  challenge of the Cambrian  explosion is the wide variety of fossilizable  forms which appeared at  more or less the same instant in geological  time. Every single phyla  represented by modern day organisms —  certainly all those with  fossilizable parts — were included, yet for  none is there any clearly  identifiable ancestor. It is explaining the  simultaneous and abrupt  appearance of those which is one of the leading  challenges in  evolutionary biology.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Dawkins’  argument here is by no means original. Interestingly, over  the last  century and a half since the publication of Darwin’s &lt;em&gt;Origin of Species,&lt;/em&gt;   paleontologists have discovered many Precambrian fossils, many of them   microscopic or soft-bodied. As Darwinian paleobiologist William Schopf   wrote in his &lt;em&gt;The early evolution of life: solution to Darwin’s   dilemma, “The long-held notion that Precambrian organisms must have been   too small or too delicate to have been preserved in geological   materials…[is] now recognised as incorrect.”&lt;/em&gt; If anything, the   abrupt appearance of the major animal phyla, conventionally dated to   about 540 million years ago, is better documented now that in Darwin’s   time. Indeed, as more fossils are discovered it becomes clear that the   Cambrian explosion was even more abrupt and extensive than previously   envisioned.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;At any rate, as discussed in some detail &lt;a href="http://www.darwinsdilemma.org/pdf/faq.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,   the Ediacaran fauna are not generally thought to be ancestral to the   modern phyla which appear explosively in the Cambrian radiation. The   presence of these organisms, therefore, should offer no comfort to   Darwinists. As Peter Ward &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Methuselahs-Trail-Living-Fossils-Extinctions/dp/071672488X/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1280514892&amp;amp;sr=8-1-fkmr0"&gt;has observed&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;em&gt;On Methuselah’s Trail: Living Fossils and the Great Extinctions&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;“[L]ater   study cast doubt on the affinity between these ancient remains   preserved in sandstones and living creatures of today; the great German   paleontologist A. Seilacher, of Tübingen University, has even gone so   far as to suggest that the Ediacaran fauna has no relationship   whatsoever with any currently living creatures. In this view, the   Ediacaran fauna was completely annihilated before the start of the   Cambrian fauna.” (p. 36)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Moreover, many phyla (such as the  brachiopods and arthropods)  couldn’t have evolved their soft parts first  and then added the hard  parts (such as the exoskeleton or shell) later —  their survival depends  in large measure upon the ability to protect or  shield their soft  parts. Soft and hard parts had to arise together. Finally,  the critic  of Darwinism need not point to the fossil record as the most  compelling  decisive blow to Darwinian orthodoxy. Dawkins is free to  invoke ad-hoc  hypothesis in an attempt to explain away the gaps and  challenges  presented by the fossil record at the most crucial points.  Nonetheless,  the fact remains that the fossil record simply cannot be  used to  document anything relating to the common descent of all life  forms —  which is one of the two central claims of neo-Darwinism. To  state  otherwise is to engage in circular reasoning.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Exaggerations and Over-Statements&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins’ &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  explains in  great detail how evolution has occurred “before our very  eyes”. He  makes reference to the replication of the well-known bacterium  &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;  as a means by which we can simulate ‘deep time’. He  notes that while  lizards experience a generation turnover period of  about two years,  bacterial generations are measured in hours, or even  minutes. He points  to Michigan professor Richard Lenski’s experiment where 12 identical  lines of &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;  were cultured to over 44,000 generations (20  years later). The bacteria  were grown in a medium which had a small  amount of glucose (a primary  carbon source for &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;) and abundant citrate (a carbon source not normally utilised by &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;).   Every 500 generations, Lenski would take samples of the bacteria,  which  — as Dawkins puts it — in essence produced a ‘fossil record’ of  the  different tribes. Lenski observed many changes in the &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;   as they adapt to the culture conditions in his lab. While the fitness  of  bacteria had increased, it had come at a cost. For instance, all the   tribes had lost the ability to catabolise ribose. Some tribes had lost   the ability to repair DNA. These bacteria may indeed be more fit in a   lab setting, but when placed back into their environment alongside  their  wild-type counterparts, they would be at a selective  disadvantage.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Dawkins goes on to explain that at generation 31,500, one line of &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt; was found to be able to utilise citrate. What Dawkins does &lt;em&gt;not give us, &lt;/em&gt;however,  is a rebuttal to the numerous pertinent comments which have been given  by ID proponents with regards to Lenski’s work. Michael Behe for  example, discusses Lenski’s work on pages 140-142 of his book, &lt;em&gt;The Edge of Evolution&lt;/em&gt;, and — more recently — &lt;a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/%7Einbios/pdf/Behe/QRB_paper.pdf"&gt;in a peer-reviewed article&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;em&gt;Quarterly Review of Biology&lt;/em&gt;. Behe has also been keeping tabs on Lenski’s work over on &lt;a href="http://behe.uncommondescent.com/"&gt;his &lt;em&gt;Uncommon Descent &lt;/em&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;. Please also see Casey Luskin’s excellent &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/09/richard_lenskis_long_term_evol051051.html"&gt;recent blog entry&lt;/a&gt; on this topic on &lt;em&gt;Evolution News &amp;amp; Views&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The case of the citrate transporter seems, to me, to be a weak one  because it has been documented that wild-type &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt; can  already use citrate under low-oxygen conditions. Under these conditions,  citrate is transported into the cell (&lt;a href="http://jb.asm.org/content/180/16/4160.short"&gt;Pos &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt;  1998&lt;/a&gt;). The gene in &lt;em&gt;E. coli&lt;/em&gt;  specifies a citrate transporter.  In the presence of high levels of  oxygen, it is thought that the  citrate transporter doesn’t function or  is not produced. Thus, wild-type  E. coli already possesses the genes  necessary for the transportation of  citrate into the cell and its  subsequent utilisation. Indeed, &lt;a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/105/23/7899.abstract"&gt;Lenski &lt;em&gt;et  al.&lt;/em&gt; (2008)&lt;/a&gt;  note that “A more likely possibility, in our view,  is that an existing  transporter has been co-opted for citrate transport  under oxic [high  oxygen level] conditions.” Such a scenario could take  place by a loss  of gene regulation (meaning that the gene is no longer  expressed  exclusively under low oxygen conditions) or a loss of  transporter  specificity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Do Dawkins’ Claims Regarding the Fossil Record Follow Logically?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  Dawkins spends considerable  portions of his book expounding the fossil  record. For example, in  chapter 6 concerning the so-called missing links  in the fossil record,  he writes,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Creationists  are deeply enamored of the fossil  record, because they have been taught  (by each other) to repeat, over  and over, the mantra that it is full of  “gaps”: “Show me your  ‘intermediates!’” They fondly (very fondly)  imagine that these “gaps”  are an embarrassment to evolutionists.  Actually, we are lucky to have  any fossils at all, let alone the massive  numbers that we now do have  to document evolutionary history—large  numbers of which, by any  standards, constitute beautiful  “intermediates.” We don’t need fossils  in order to demonstrate that  evolution is a fact. The evidence for  evolution would be entirely secure  even if not a single corpse had ever  fossilized. It is a bonus that we  do actually have rich seams of  fossils to mine, and more are discovered  every day. The fossil evidence  for evolution in many major animal groups  is wonderfully strong.  Nevertheless there are, of course, gaps, and  creationists love them  obsessively.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins — as a neo-Darwinist —  is evidently seeking to  demonstrate, and thus uphold, the central  tenets of Darwinism. But the  central claim of neo-Darwinism is that  natural selection, coupled with  chance mutation, can mimic what would  normally be ascribed to  intelligence. The most important issue which we  have at hand,  therefore, is whether or not life could have evolved by  natural  processes. The theory of intelligent design merely claims that  certain  natural phenomena exhibit features which are best attributed to   intelligence. The concept of common descent is crucial to the Darwinian   paradigm, but its falsehood is by no means critical to the design   thesis. To the design hypothesis, as a scientific model, it is a   secondary issue whether the various forms of life were created   independently or by modification of previously existing forms. While the   latter model rejects the theory of evolution as an overall paradigm,  it  is nonetheless consistent which common descent. Thus, even if one  were  to concede that the fossil record supports common descent — a  notion  which I challenge — it would not by any means prove  neo-Darwinism.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What About the Missing Link?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins defines the concept of “the missing link” as &lt;em&gt;“the alleged gap between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.”&lt;/em&gt;   He spends much of the rest of his chapter on the fossil record taking   on some of the pseudoscientific claims made by some in the name of   creationism, for instance, the weak (to put it mildly) argument, ‘I’ll   believe in evolution when I see a monkey give birth to a human baby.’   There are plenty of well-meaning creationists out there who utilise this   level of argumentation — but to suggest or imply that such reasoning  is  ‘mainstream’ is very misleading indeed. There are many sophisticated   and well-informed critiques of Darwinian orthodoxy in the scientific   literature. Richard Dawkins should be responding to them, rather than   the under-informed laypeople, who, perhaps should be spending less time   teaching apologetics, more time getting their facts straight! (For the   record, Darwinists do not believe that humans are descended from modern   monkeys, but that modern monkeys and humans shared a common  ancestor.).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In the proceeding chapter (chapter  7), Richard Dawkins outlines  several fossil organisms which he deems to  be feasible intermediates  between humans and the common ancestor we  share with chimpanzees. One  example to which Dawkins alludes is ‘Lucy’.  Dawkins remarks,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The most famous fossil…is ‘Lucy’, classified by her  discoverer in Ethiopia, Donald Johanson?,  as Australopithecus  afarensis. Unfortunately we have only fragments of  Lucy’s cranium, but  her lower jaw is unusually well preserved. She was  small by modern  standards, although not as small as Homo floresiensis,  the tiny  creature the newspapers have irritatingly dubbed ‘the Hobbit’,  which  died out tantalisingly recently on the island of Flores in  Indonesia.  Lucy’s skeleton is complete enough to suggest that she walked  upright  on the ground, but probably also sought refuge in trees, where  she was  an agile climber. There is good evidence that the bones  attributed to  Lucy really did all come from a single individual…The  conclusion from  studies of Lucy and her kin is that they had brains  about the same size  as chimpanzees’ but, unlike chimpanzees, they walked  upright on their  hind legs…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Indeed, Lucy’s skeleton is very  incomplete. Only 40% was found, and a  significant percentage of the  known bones are rib fragments. As  Dawkins notes, very little useful  material from the skull was  recovered. Ironically, Lucy still represents  the most complete pre-Homo  known hominid skeleton to date. Dawkins’  assertion that &lt;em&gt;“There is good evidence that the bones attributed to Lucy really did all come from a single individual”&lt;/em&gt;   is highly precarious. Given the fragmentary nature of many of the  bones  and the highly incomplete nature of the skeleton, the argument  seems  highly suspect. Consider, for example, Lucy’s femur or the  pelvis, the  most prized parts of her skeleton. It is an extremely  difficult case to  state that all Lucy’s bones are clearly from one  individual of one  species, and it requires some heavy assumptions.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Leaving the fragmentary nature of  Lucy’s skeleton aside, let us  assume for the moment that Lucy was a  fully bipedal ape – would that  necessarily qualify her as a human  ancestor? Given that the much  earlier fossil record from the Miocene  yields bipedal apes that  supposedly evolved upright-walking completely  independently from the  line that supposedly led to humans, it would seem  that the answer is  emphatically no.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Even if we concede that Lucy walked  upright, there is strong  evidence to suggest that her mode of locomotion  was, in significant  ways, very different from that of modern humans.  For example, it is  almost certain that A. &lt;em&gt;afarensis&lt;/em&gt; and other  australopithecines  were not adapted to a striding gait and running, as  humans are. It  doesn’t seem very advantageous, and therefore likely, to  use bipedality  as one’s primary mode of locomotion if one cannot use it  to quickly  run from predators.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;As Richard Leakey and Roger Lewin write in their book, &lt;em&gt;Origins Reconsidered – In Search of What Makes us Human:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“We were sent a cast of  the Lucy skeleton, and I was  asked to assemble it for display,”  remembers Peter Schmid, a  paleontologist at the Anthropological  Institute in Zurich. … “When I  started to put [Lucy’s] skeleton  together, I expected it to look  human,” Schmid continues. “Everyone had  talked about Lucy as being very  modern, very human, so I was surprised  by what I saw.” … “What you see  in Australopithecus is not what you’d  want in an efficient bipedal  running animal,” says Peter. “The shoulders  were high, and, combined  with the funnel-shaped chest, would have made  arm swinging very  improbable in the human sense. It wouldn’t have been  able to lift its  thorax for the kind of deep breathing that we do when  we run. The  abdomen was potbellied, and there was no waste, so that  would have  restricted the flexibility that’s essential to human  running.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins’ contention, then, that &lt;em&gt;“[Lucy] walked upright on [her] hind legs, as we do…” &lt;/em&gt;ignores   large volumes of skeletal evidence that Lucy did not in fact walk   upright. The only real reason to discard Lucy’s clear anatomical   evidence that she climbed trees and knuckle-walked is the Darwinist   preference for her to be a fully-bipedal ape that was on her way toward   evolving into a modern human. But this is circular.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What About Bad Design?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In chapter 11 of &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  Richard  Dawkins alludes to a number of systems which he regards to be  badly or  ‘unintelligently’ designed. The point he makes is a rather  elementary  logical fallacy — design does not have to be perfect; it just  has to be  good enough. The fact remains that living systems exhibit  clear marks  of the action of an intelligent agent, even if the design is  somewhat  less than perfect. As an analogy, consider Microsoft office  software.  Microsoft office applications often possess certain  imperfections, but  no-body would infer that the programming script was  the product of  undirected mechanisms. Ultimately, Richard Dawkins is  here depending  upon the utilisation of theological arguments in order to  support his  case. The theory of intelligent design states that certain  features of  the natural world exhibit indicators of intelligent design.  Questions  relating to the identity or skill of the designer are  questions for  theologians and philosophers to address, and thus stand  independently  from biological or scientific concerns.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Nonetheless, let us take one of Richard Dawkins’ examples of bad design, as presented in &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;   subject it to scrutiny and see how it holds up. If it can be   demonstrated that there exists functional reasons for the relevant   instances of apparent ‘bad design’ or if new evidence suggests a pattern   of degenerative evolution (that is to say, evidence of decay of an   otherwise rational and beneficial original design), then the argument   would no longer hold water.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;On page 353-355 of &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth,&lt;/em&gt;  Richard  Dawkins alludes to the often-cited example of the inversion of  the  vertebrate eye retina as an instance of ‘bad design’. However,  recently  identified functional reasons for this design challenge the old   Darwinian claim. Biologist George Ayoub has shown, for example, that   the vertebrate retina provides an excellent example of what engineers   call a constrained optimisation, in which several competing design   objectives are elegantly balanced to achieve an optimal overall design.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Light at  various wavelengths is capable of inducing degenerative  effects on  biological machinery. The retina is clearly designed with  the inbuilt  purpose of withstanding the toxic and heating effects of  light. The eye  is well equipped to protect the retina against radiation  from the  outside world. Besides the almost complete exclusion of  ultraviolate  radiation by the cornea and the lens together, the retina  also serves a  crucial role in protection against such damage — for  example, producing  substances with combat the damaging chemical  by-products of light  radiation.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The  photoreceptors, therefore, need to be in direct contact with the  retinal  pigment epithelium, which plays an essential part in  sustaining them.  The retinal pigment epithelium, in turn, requires to  be in direct  contact with the choroids. Both of these are required in  order to  satisfy the nutritional requirements and thus prevent  overheating the  retina from focused light (as a consequence of the heat  sink effect of  bloodflow).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;If,  conversely, the human retina were ‘wired’ the other way as  Dawkins  proposes that it should be, these two opaque layers would need  to be  interposed in the path of light to the photoreceptors , which  really  would be bad design!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conclusion: Does Richard Dawkins have the goods?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Richard Dawkins continues in the same vein throughout his book. One &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/sep/05/richard-dawkins-greatest-show-evolution"&gt;favourable review&lt;/a&gt; of Dawkins’ book, published in &lt;em&gt;The Guardian&lt;/em&gt;, commented that while &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth &lt;/em&gt;“demonstrates   once again [Dawkins’] consummate skill as an explainer,” the science   covered by the book mostly rehashed “pretty standard stuff.” The book   fails to address the growing problems of biological information, the   origin of life, how natural selection coupled with chance mutations can   account for the origin of irreducibly complex systems, which continue  to  defy the Darwinism he preaches. Darwin called &lt;em&gt;The Origin of Species&lt;/em&gt; ‘one long argument’ for his theory, but Richard Dawkins has given us one long bluff. &lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth&lt;/em&gt;   seeks to defend neo-Darwinism by appealing to theological arguments,  by  attempting to explain away the challenge of the Cambrian explosion  by  means of invoking ad-hoc conjectures, by exaggerating the evidence  for  the potentiality of natural selection, by misrepresenting design   arguments, casting down ‘straw-men’, and by avoiding mention of the most   sinister threats to the neo-Darwinian model of origins.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Another point  which is worth mentioning is that one should not be so  taken with the  evidence that is consistent with evolution that we  think we can ignore  the evidence that contradicts it. And this isn’t a  balancing act —  weighing whether there is more evidence for or against  the theory. We  know from common experience that even a small amount of  clearly  contradictory evidence outweighs a large body of consistent  evidence. A  common thread running throughout Richard Dawkins’ book (&lt;em&gt;The Greatest Show on Earth&lt;/em&gt;)   is the analogy of weighing up incriminating evidence in a court of  law.  But in a court of law, no matter how much evidence appears to   incriminate someone, it would be entirely outweighed by a reliable alibi   that the accused was in a totally different location at the time of  the  crime. The same is true of science. Even a small amount of  attestable  data that clearly contradicts evolution is sufficient to  demonstrate  that it is false, despite a much larger body of evidence  that is  consistent with it.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The actual  evidence shows that major features of the fossil record  and cell biology  are an embarrassment to Darwinian evolution. Judged by  the normal  criteria of empirical science, the data used to prop up  neo-Darwinism is  weak. We know today that there are multiple critical  facts which strike  hard blows at the conventional understanding of the  theory. 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url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/yF2w3sndwnc/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1944234333841025135</id><published>2012-02-19T06:26:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-19T06:26:28.588-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sunday Quote'/><title type='text'>A Sunday Quote</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"One of the most disastrous illusions of the internet  age is that an  amateur plus Google is equivalent to a scholar. A search  engine offers  information, more or less relevant according to the  skill of the  searcher. But it does not sift that information; it does  not sort fact  from fancy, wheat from chaff. It does not explain which  facts are  relevant and which are beside the point. It does not weigh  the merits of  competing arguments and tell the user where the balance  of evidence  lies. A bright amateur armed with the internet may at best  be better  informed than he would otherwise have been, and he may  occasionally  catch a real scholar in a factual error. But it will not  turn him into a  scholar himself. There is no such thing as effortless  erudition."&lt;/i&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Tim McGrew&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="yj6qo ajU"&gt;&lt;div id=":t0" class="ajR" role="button" tabindex="0"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;img class="ajT" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1944234333841025135?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1944234333841025135/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote_1132.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1944234333841025135'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1944234333841025135'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote_1132.html' title='A Sunday Quote'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1270953588649131282</id><published>2012-02-18T11:13:00.019-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-18T13:40:17.582-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophecy and Typology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Deity of Jesus'/><title type='text'>Who is the Angel of the Lord?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CWJUu7fNgWg/Tz_84a88GWI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/d02kiCG45nI/s1600/angel.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CWJUu7fNgWg/Tz_84a88GWI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/d02kiCG45nI/s320/angel.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710560898766870882" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Throughout the Old Testament, we routinely encounter the mysterious character who goes by the title "The angel of the Lord." By looking at the numerous appearances of this individual, we can piece together clues as to His identity. The first time the angel of the Lord is introduced, he makes an appearance to Hagar, the servant of Abraham's wife Sarai. In Genesis 16:7-13, we read,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-389"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;; it was&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; the spring that is beside the road to Shur. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-390"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;nd he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;d where are you going?” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-391"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt; Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-392"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt; The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-393"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; The angel of the LORD also said to her: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “You are now pregnant&lt;br /&gt;and you will give birth to a son.&lt;br /&gt;You shall name him Ishmael,&lt;br /&gt;for the LORD has heard of your misery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-394"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt; He will be a wild donkey of a man;&lt;br /&gt;his hand will be against everyone&lt;br /&gt;and everyone’s hand against him,&lt;br /&gt;and he will live in hostility&lt;br /&gt;toward all his brothers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-395"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-396"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt; That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What is of particular interest here is that the angel of the Lord speaks as though He is distinct from Yahweh yet &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;also&lt;/span&gt; presumes Himself to be the very mouthpiece of God. In fact, he speaks in the first person and says &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I will increase your descendants."&lt;/span&gt; This is very peculiar. What's more, in verse 13, Hagar identifies the Angel of the Lord as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"the God who sees me."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The second time we encounter the Angel of the Lord, He again speaks to Hagar regarding her Son Ishmael. In Genesis 21:17-18, we read,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-531"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; God heard the boy  crying, and the angel of God called to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hagar from heaven and said to  her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy  crying as he lies there. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-532"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Lift the boy up and take hi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;m by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Notice that again, in verse 18, the angel of the Lord speaks using the first person (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"...for I will make him into a great nation"&lt;/span&gt;), thus making Himself the very mouthpiece of God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The third occasion on we encounter the angel of the Lord is the incident involving Abraham and Isaac on Mount Moriah. Just as Abraham is about to offer up his Son Isaac as a sacrifice unto the Lord, we read in Genesis 22:11-18,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-559"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; But the angel of&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8CoQQQrfugE/T0AGNEgB-uI/AAAAAAAAAKo/BFuIeFlUqI8/s1600/abraham.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 382px; height: 315px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8CoQQQrfugE/T0AGNEgB-uI/AAAAAAAAAKo/BFuIeFlUqI8/s320/abraham.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710571149121944290" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the LORD called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;   “Here I am,” he replied. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-560"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;  “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him.  Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your  son, your only son.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-561"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-562"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;  So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it  is said, “On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-563"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt; The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-564"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt;  and said, “I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have  done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-565"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;  I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the  stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will  take possession of the cities of their enemies, &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-566"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Again, the angel of the Lord uses the first person and assumes Himself to be none other than God Himself. In verse 12, he states, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"you have not withheld f&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;rom me your  son, your only son."&lt;/span&gt; The angel also claims to be the one who gave Abraham the instruction to sacrifice his Son Isaac (verse 18) and that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the  stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fourth occasion on which we encounter the angel of the Lord is in Genesis 32, in which Jacob famously wrestles with God. In verses 1 and 2, we are told,  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Jacob al&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3lWfHGpPfoc/T0AHviOZFCI/AAAAAAAAAK0/O0P0RSkTruc/s1600/jacobwrestles.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 255px; height: 368px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3lWfHGpPfoc/T0AHviOZFCI/AAAAAAAAAK0/O0P0RSkTruc/s320/jacobwrestles.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710572840728204322" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;so went on his way, and the angels of God met him. When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is the camp of God!” So he named that place Mahanaim."&lt;/span&gt; In verses 22-31, we read,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-951"&gt;22&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; That night Jacob got up  and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and  crossed the ford of the Jabbok. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-952"&gt;23&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; After he had sent them across the stream&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;, he sent over all his possessi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ons. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-953"&gt;24&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ith him till daybreak. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-954"&gt;25&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  When the man saw that&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; he could not overpower him, he tou&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ched the socket  of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the  man. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-955"&gt;26&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-956"&gt;27&lt;/sup&gt; The man asked him, “What is your name?” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “Jacob,” he answered. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-957"&gt;28&lt;/sup&gt; Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-958"&gt;29&lt;/sup&gt; Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-959"&gt;30&lt;/sup&gt; So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-960"&gt;31&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; and he was limping&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; because of his hip. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-961"&gt;32&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to  the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched  near the tendon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In this passage, Jacob names the place Peniel, saying that it was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"because I saw God face to face and yet my life was spared."&lt;/span&gt; Hosea 12:4-5 also identifies the angel in this scene as the "Lord God Almighty."&lt;br /&gt;The fifth time we meet the angel of the Lord is the Burning Bush appearance to Moses in Exodus 3. In verses 1-6, we read,&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DMNGmQiF9zY/T0AIUx651HI/AAAAAAAAALA/vGca7LLD03I/s1600/burningbush.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 346px; height: 260px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DMNGmQiF9zY/T0AIUx651HI/AAAAAAAAALA/vGca7LLD03I/s320/burningbush.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710573480596591730" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1581"&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Now Moses was tending the  flock of Jethro his father-in-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;, the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;priest of Midian, and he led the  flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain  of God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1582"&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; There the angel  of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses  saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1583"&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; So Moses thought, “I will go over an&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;d see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1584"&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   And Moses said, “Here I am.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1585"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-1586"&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Then he said, “I am the God of your father,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Curiously, on this occasion, "the angel of the Lord" and "God" are used interchangably. The angel of the Lord here describes Himself as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The angel of the Lord also appears to Balaam (Numbers 22) and, in similar fashion, to Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15). We also encounter the angel of the Lord four times in the book of Judges. In Judges 2:1-4, we read,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6547"&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The angel of the LORD  went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said, “I brought you up out of Egypt  and led you into the land I swore to give to y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;our ancestors. I said, ‘I  will never break my covenant with you, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6548"&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you  shall break down their altars.’ Ye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;t you have disobeyed me. Why have you  done this? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6549"&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; And I have  also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps  for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6550"&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; When the angel of the LORD had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6551"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; and they called that place Bokim.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; There they offered sacrifices to the LORD. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Remarkably, the angel of the Lord here identifies Himself as the one who brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt and led them into the promised land. Furthermore, the angel of the Lord identifies Himself as the one who made a covenant with the people of Israel -- one which He will never break.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In Judges 6:11-24, we again encounter the angel of the Lord. We read,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6666"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The angel of the  LORD came and sat down under the oak in Ophrah that belonged to Joash  the Abiezrite, where his son &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Gideon was threshing wheat in a winepress  to keep it from the Midianites. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6667"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; W&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hen the angel of the LORD appeared to Gideon, he said, “The LORD is with you, mighty warr&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ior.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6668"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;  “Pardon me, my lord,” Gideon replied, “but if the LORD is with us, why  has all this happened to us? Where are all his wonders that our  ancestors told us about when they said, ‘Did not the LORD bring us up  out of Egypt?’ But now the LORD has abandoned us and given us into the  hand of Midian.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6669"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt; The LORD turned to him and said, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian’s hand. Am I not sending you?” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6670"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt;  “Pardon me, my lord,” Gideon replied, “but how can I save Israel? My  clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6671"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt; The LORD answered, “I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites, leaving none alive.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6672"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt; Gideon replied, “If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6673"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; Please do not go away until I come back and bring my offering and set it before you.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   And the LORD said, “I will wait until you return.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6674"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt; Gideon went inside, prepared a young goat, and from an ephah  of flour he made bread without yeast. Putting the meat in a basket and  its broth in a pot, he brought them out and offered them to him under  the oak. &lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4o2eXOgbr4A/T0APjqrHpWI/AAAAAAAAALM/oIk2GKAiyx0/s1600/gideon.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 373px; height: 280px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4o2eXOgbr4A/T0APjqrHpWI/AAAAAAAAALM/oIk2GKAiyx0/s320/gideon.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710581432930772322" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6675"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt; The  angel of God said to him, “Take the meat and the unleavened bread, place  them on this rock, and pour out the broth.” And Gideon did so. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6676"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt;  Then the angel of the LORD touched the meat and the unleavened bread  with the tip of the staff that was in his hand. Fire flared from the  rock, consuming the meat and the bread. And the angel of the LORD  disappeared. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6677"&gt;22&lt;/sup&gt; When Gideon  realized that it was the angel of the LORD, he exclaimed, “Alas,  Sovereign LORD! I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face!” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6678"&gt;23&lt;/sup&gt; But the LORD said to him, “Peace! Do not be afraid. You are not going to die.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6679"&gt;24&lt;/sup&gt; So Gideon built an altar to the LORD there and called it The LORD Is Peace. To this day it stands in Ophrah of the Abiezrites. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Again, the angel of the Lord is identified as none other than "the Lord" Himself (verses 14, 16, 23, 25, 27). In fact, Gideon asks for a sign to confirm that it really is God who is speaking to him. Gideon prepares a sacrifice and God consumes it by bringing fire from the rock. What's remarkable is that it is only God who is to be worshipped in this manner. When Gideon sees the fire from the rock, he is terrified. He recognises the implications of having seen God face-to-face (see Exodus 33:20), but he is re-assured that he is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"not going to die."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Judges 13:2-25 is the most remarkable of the appearances of the angel of the Lord. The passage reads,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6886"&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Again the Israelites did  evil in the eyes of the LORD, so the LORD delivered them into the hands  of the Philistines for forty years. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6887"&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; A certain man of Zorah, named Manoah, from the clan of the Danites, had a wife who was childless, unable to give birth. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6888"&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;  The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, “You are barren and  childless, but you are going to become pregnant and give birth to a son.  &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6889"&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6890"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;  You will become pregnant and have a son whose head is never to be  touched by a razor because the boy is to be a Nazirite, dedicated to God  from the womb. He will take the lead in delivering Israel from the  hands of the Philistines.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6891"&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;  Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to  me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where  he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6892"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;  But he said to me, ‘You will become pregnant and have a son. Now then,  drink no wine or other fermented drink and do not eat anything unclean,  because the boy will be a Nazirite of God from the womb until the day of  his death.’” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6893"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;  Then Manoah prayed to the LORD: “Pardon your servant, Lord. I beg you to  let the man of God you sent to us come again to teach us how to bring  up the boy who is to be born.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6894"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;  God heard Manoah, and the angel of God came again to the woman while  she was out in the field; but her husband Manoah was not with her. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6895"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt; The woman hurried to tell her husband, “He’s here! The man who appeared to me the other day!” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6896"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, “Are you the man who talked to my wife?” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “I am,” he said. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6897"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt; So Manoah asked him, “When your words are fulfilled, what is to be the rule that governs the boy’s life and work?” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6898"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; The angel of the LORD answered, “Your wife must do all that I have told her. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6899"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;  She must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, nor drink any  wine or other fermented drink nor eat anything unclean. She must do  everything I have commanded her.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6900"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt; Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “We would like you to stay until we prepare a young goat for you.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6901"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt;  The angel of the LORD replied, “Even though you detain me, I will not  eat any of your food. But if you prepare a burnt offering, offer it to  the LORD.” (Manoah did not realize that it was the angel of the LORD.) &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6902"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt; Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?” &lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53i9WrUmq34/T0AUnx47DSI/AAAAAAAAALY/7mKliuODyJA/s1600/preincarnate_manoah.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 353px; height: 491px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53i9WrUmq34/T0AUnx47DSI/AAAAAAAAALY/7mKliuODyJA/s320/preincarnate_manoah.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710587001145330978" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6903"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; He replied, “Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding.” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6904"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt;  Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and  sacrificed it on a rock to the LORD. And the LORD did an amazing thing  while Manoah and his wife watched: &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6905"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt;  As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the  LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with  their faces to the ground. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6906"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt;  When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his  wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6907"&gt;22&lt;/sup&gt; “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6908"&gt;23&lt;/sup&gt;  But his wife answered, “If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not  have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor  shown us all these things or now told us this.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6909"&gt;24&lt;/sup&gt; The woman gave birth to a boy and named him Samson. He grew and the LORD blessed him, &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-6910"&gt;25&lt;/sup&gt; and the Spirit of the LORD began to stir him while he was in Mahaneh Dan, between Zorah and Eshtaol. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Manoah is instructed in verse 16 to make his offering to the Lord. The reason given is that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Manoah did not realize that it was the angel of the LORD."&lt;/span&gt; Manoah needed this explanation because he was going to offer this to the man, but did not even regard him as an angel, let alone the Lord Himself. Verses 17 -18 remind us of the wrestling match between the angel of the Lord and Jacob back in Genesis 32, in which the angel declines to give His name, instead saying, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Why do you ask my name?”&lt;/span&gt; The statement given in verse 18 of Judges 13 (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"it is beyond understanding&lt;/span&gt;") has also been rendered &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"it is Wonderful."&lt;/span&gt; This bears a striking resemblance to Isaiah 9:6, in which one of the names given to the promised incarnate divine Messiah is "Wonderful." When Manoah and his wife make an offering to the Lord, the angel of the Lord ascends in the flame. This reminds us of the sacrifice of Christ who, being God incarnate, was made a sacrifice unto the Father. The ascension of the angel of the Lord in the flame which rises from the burnt offering on the alter carries much symbolic significance and undoubtedly represents the coming sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Like those who had encountered the angel of the Lord before them, Manoah and his wife are fearful for their lives, as they recognise the implications of having seen God face-to-face.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In summary, we have seen that:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The angel of the Lord is repeatedly identified as God.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The angel of the Lord performes miraculous signs.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;People expect to die after having encountered the angel of the Lord face-to-face, but none of them actually do die.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The name of the angel of the Lord is "wonderful".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, to conclude our discussion, who is the angel of the Lord? As we read all of those accounts and piece together the consilience of clues, it becomes evident that the angel of the Lord is none other than the pre-incarnate Christ Himself. This makes sense in the context of the apostle John's description of Christ as "the word" of God (see John 1:1). Moreover, as John's gospel explains in 1: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="footnote" value="[&amp;lt;a href=&amp;quot;#fen-NIV-26063b&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;See footnote b&amp;quot;&amp;gt;b&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;]"&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."&lt;/span&gt; And as Hebrews 1:3 declares, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being."&lt;/span&gt; Christ describes Himself as the mouthpiece of God on earth and the revelation to mankind of what God is like (see Matthew 11:27). In fact, all that Jesus is and does interprets and explains who God is and what He does (see John 14:8-10).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, it is the angel of the Lord who gives the command for the filthy rags to be taken off Joshua in Zechariah 3, and for him to be clothed in fine garments. The immediate context indicates that this is intended to symbolise the restoration of the priesthood of Israel. The text also symbolises, however, Christ clothing us with the garments of righteousness (Isaiah 61:10).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The angel of the Lord represents a christophany -- a pre-incarnation appearance of Jesus Christ. It also adds yet another example to the &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/search/label/Prophecy%20and%20Typology"&gt;powerful and compelling cumulative case&lt;/a&gt; from the Bible's remarkable internal coherence and interconnectedness -- a phenomenon which can surely only be explained by the Bible's divine origin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1270953588649131282?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1270953588649131282/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/who-is-angel-of-lord.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1270953588649131282'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1270953588649131282'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/who-is-angel-of-lord.html' title='Who is the Angel of the Lord?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CWJUu7fNgWg/Tz_84a88GWI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/d02kiCG45nI/s72-c/angel.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7773746004489918561</id><published>2012-02-17T14:28:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-17T14:31:13.891-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Common Questions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Gospel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Theology'/><title type='text'>What About Those Who Have Never Heard? Greg Koukl</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XIXs5wOSVk4" allowfullscreen="" width="600" frameborder="0" height="400"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7773746004489918561?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7773746004489918561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-about-those-who-have-never-heard.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7773746004489918561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7773746004489918561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-about-those-who-have-never-heard.html' title='What About Those Who Have Never Heard? Greg Koukl'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/XIXs5wOSVk4/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-3481402025762949702</id><published>2012-02-17T07:48:00.002-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-17T07:48:34.233-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worldview'/><title type='text'>Whats your Worldview?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wh3vJ03yFHI/Tz52WX00L9I/AAAAAAAAASI/g7HR7BDlIUs/s1600/worldview+map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="226" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wh3vJ03yFHI/Tz52WX00L9I/AAAAAAAAASI/g7HR7BDlIUs/s320/worldview+map.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What we believe or assume about the world affects how we live in it, what we do, what we don't do and ultimately grounds all the big decisions we make in it. James Sire describes a worldview as:&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;"A worldview is a set of presuppositions (or assumptions) which we hold  (consciously or subconsciously) about the basic make-up of our world."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;Our worldview is one of the most important things to test, since if our worldview doesn't stand up to scrutiny then surely we have a responsibility to change it and live in accordance to one which does. &lt;i&gt;What's your world-view and does it stand up to scrutiny?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although clearly not an exhaustive map, its still interesting to work your way through.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a good introductory article on worldviews you can read a great article at Probe&lt;a href="http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4224519/k.362A/Worldviews.htm"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; border: medium none; color: black; overflow: hidden; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-3481402025762949702?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3481402025762949702/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/whats-your-worldview.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3481402025762949702'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3481402025762949702'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/whats-your-worldview.html' title='Whats your Worldview?'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wh3vJ03yFHI/Tz52WX00L9I/AAAAAAAAASI/g7HR7BDlIUs/s72-c/worldview+map.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1854059155160617637</id><published>2012-02-17T02:08:00.002-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-17T02:13:17.546-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>The GULO Pseudogene and Its Implications for Common Descent</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iYxRBk6-fh0/Tz4oEdvJARI/AAAAAAAAAKE/xKsa0EYxHRw/s1600/primate.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 330px; height: 296px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iYxRBk6-fh0/Tz4oEdvJARI/AAAAAAAAAKE/xKsa0EYxHRw/s320/primate.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5710045434719306002" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;L-gulonolactone oxidase (GULO), the final enzyme in the biosynthetic  pathway of ascorbic acid (vitamin C), is a subject that comes up often  in discussions of common ancestry. The functioning GULO gene allows most  plants and many animals to produce vitamin C from glucose or galactose.  In some taxa, however, the GULO gene does not function in this capacity  and is given the "pseudogene" label. The GULO gene is thought to be  broken in humans (&lt;a href="http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/6/1203S.full.pdf"&gt;Nishikimi and  Yagi, 1991&lt;/a&gt;), primates and guinea pigs (&lt;a href="http://www.jbc.org/content/269/18/13685.full.pdf"&gt;Nishikimi &lt;em&gt;et  al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1994&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0003986188900938#BIB4"&gt;Nishikimi  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1988&lt;/a&gt;), as well as in bats of the genus &lt;em&gt;Pteropus&lt;/em&gt;  (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21037206"&gt;Cui &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt;  2011&lt;/a&gt;).  &lt;p&gt;When scientists compared the human GULO pseudogene to its functional  counterpart in the rat genome, they found that regions equivalent to  exons I to VI, as well as exon XI, were absent (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14703305?ordinalpos=5&amp;amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum"&gt;Inai  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 2003&lt;/a&gt;). This means that the human GULO pseudogene  has only five exons out of the twelve found in the functional rat GULO  gene. Other features of note associated with the human GULO pseudogene  included one single nucleotide insertion, two single nucleotide  deletions, and one triple nucleotide deletion. Researchers also  identified additional stop codons. Similar mutations have been  identified in the genome of chimpanzees, orangutans and macaques (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10572964"&gt;Ohta and Nishikimi,  1999&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;GULO and Common Descent&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The GULO pseudogene -- particularly the identical base deletion in  exon X at position 97 -- has long been used as an argument for  establishing the validity of common descent.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Since 2003, ID proponents have been citing the claim of &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14703305?ordinalpos=5&amp;amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum"&gt;Inai  &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that parallel substitutious have occurred in the  human and guinea-pig lineages. Inai &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt; calculated the  probability of attaining identical substitutions in those two lineages  at the number of sites observed to be 1.83 x 10^-12, hypothesizing the  phenomenon of mutational hotspots to account for this occurrence. This  claim, however, is no longer tenable. As I mentioned, researchers used  the rat sequence as a norm to compare the primate and guinea-pig  sequence. It is more likely though that the rat GULO gene has mutated  such that it is not representative of the ancestral sequence, rather  than the convergence of the primate and guinea-pig sequence. This  becomes clear when we consider a broader range of taxa (see &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/09/scurvy-guinea-p.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;  and &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/05/the-revenge-of-1.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Inconsistent Use of Statistics&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is interesting to note that the argument for common ancestry based  on common mutations affecting a segment of DNA is based on a form of  reasoning that is uncannily similar to the specified-complexity  criterion employed by advocates of design. Given the premise that  mutations occur essentially at random, the inference to common ancestry  is preferred over the chance hypothesis. Notice that the inference is  justified not solely on the basis of high improbability (attaining the  same specific mutations in multiple lineages is no more improbable than  any other combination of mutations of the same number). &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;If the specific mutational combination occurred only once, however --  that is, before the divergence of the two lineages -- one no longer  needs to explain how the same specific improbable combination of  mutations occurred more than once. In this case, if we assume that there  is no function for the pseudogene, as well as other assumptions (e.g.  no hotspot mutations), then the common ancestry hypothesis seems  preferable. If the event cannot be accounted for by common ancestry,  then something fundamentally non-random must account for the phenomenon  (this is what led Inai to postulate the existence of genomic hotspots  where certain kinds of mutations occur with greater frequency). If  Darwinists are happy to employ this kind of reasoning in their own  defence of evolutionary theory, why do they object so vehemently to its  use by advocates of ID?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;After I had raised concerns about the prohibitive improbabilities  facing the occurrence of many of the macromolecular functionally  interdependent systems found in living systems, the renowned  evolutionary biologist and philosopher Massimo Pigliucci wrote to me on  an Internet forum,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"No evolutionary biologist I  know...actually attaches probabilities to specific evolutionary events  of the type you are talking about. There is no way to do that.  Similarly, there is no way to attach probabilities to the set of  physical laws regulating our universe, for the simple reason that we  have no sample population to draw from (which is why typically you  estimate probabilities)."&lt;/blockquote&gt;It was a bizarre statement, given  the extent to which arguments for common descent depend on probabilistic  considerations. Darwinists are quite happy to use probabilistic  reasoning when it supports their case, but when a critic wants to use  similar reasoning to show the limitations of the Darwinian mechanism,  suddenly probabilities become incalculable and irrelevant.  &lt;p&gt;What's more, as Jonathan Wells observes in the appendix of &lt;em&gt;The  Myth of Junk DNA&lt;/em&gt;, the GULO pseudogene argument is circular. &lt;a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/10/435"&gt;Balakirev and Ayala  (2003)&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/10/435"&gt;Khachane  and Harrison (2009)&lt;/a&gt; take pseudogene similarities as evidence of  function. When such similarities are explicable by reference to common  descent, then it is taken as evidence for common descent. When such  similarities are &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; explicable by common descent, on the other  hand, it is taken as evidence of function. Moreover, there are many  well documented cases of deep molecular convergence (for a catalogue,  see Fazale Rana's contribution -- chapter 21 -- to &lt;em&gt;The Nature of  Nature&lt;/em&gt;). Again, when these instances are explicable by common  descent, it is taken as evidence of shared ancestry. When these  instances are &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; explicable by common descent, it is evidence  of convergent evolution -- and thus the efficacy of the neo-Darwinian  mechanism. This is classic circular reasoning.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Signs of Function?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There is actually some evidence to suggest that concentrations of  ascorbic acid in the human fetus and in the neonate is not wholly  explicable by the mother's intake of vitamin C in her diet. For example,  a study conducted by &lt;a href="http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FBJN%2FBJN10_02%2FS0007114556000191a.pdf&amp;amp;code=505371c7dc0938704786ecfec8f757c2"&gt;Andersson  &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt; (1956)&lt;/a&gt; documented, over a period of five years, no  more than two reports of infantile scurvy in malnourished South African  Bantu infants. It was found that ascorbic acid plasma concentrations  were comparable among infants who had been well nourished.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;A further study, by &lt;a href="http://adc.bmj.com/content/49/4/278.long"&gt;Adlard &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt;  (1974)&lt;/a&gt;, found substantially heightened vitamin C concentrations in  the fetal human brain as compared to that of the adult. This  concentration was found to fall with increased gestational age.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ajcn.org/content/40/5/1050.full.pdf+html"&gt;Salmenpera  (1984)&lt;/a&gt; examined the levels of plasma vitamin C in infants who had  been breast-fed as compared with controls who had been supplemented with  vitamin C. They reported that the concentration of plasma vitamin C was  the same or higher in the former compared to the latter. In fact, the  concentration was roughly double the maternal concentration. The author  reported, "Surprisingly, the infantile plasma concentration, which was  already high compared with maternal concentration, continued to rise  despite the decreasing concentration in milk ... the significance of  this phenomenon is unknown."&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Some researchers have actually suggested that the loss of a  functional GULO may have provided a selective advantage for early man.  For example, &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7087819"&gt;Calabrese  (1982)&lt;/a&gt; wrote,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Considerable controversy exists over  the role of ascorbic acid in maintaining health and resisting a wide  variety of diseases including cancer. It has been contended that the  evolutionary loss of ascorbic acid synthesis capability in man has  enhanced the occurrence of numerous chronic diseases and was essentially  a maladaptive alteration which initially was well tolerated because  early man lived in a habitat which supplied foods with amounts of  vitamin C equivalent to what they normally may have synthesized.  However, as humans migrated into habitats with less availability of  vitamin C, the adverse aspects of the loss of ascorbic acid synthesizing  capability came to be demonstrated (1,2). &lt;strong&gt;In contrast, this  paper proposes that the loss of an ability to synthesize ascorbic acid  in humans, far from being a neutral or totally negative mutation, may  have been a critical preadaptation which markedly enhanced the survival  of earlv man with a G-6-PD deficiency living in a malarial infested  environment" &lt;/strong&gt; [emphasis added]&lt;/blockquote&gt;What survival  advantage might this have imparted? The paper explains,&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"It is  proposed that the loss of ability by humans to synthesize ascorbic aicd  may have markedly enhanced the survival opportunities of early man  living in a malarial infested environment. This hypothesis is based on  biomedical evidence which indicates that glucose-6-phosphate  dehydrogenase (G-6-PD) deficient individuals display enhanced  sensitivity to ascorbic acid induced hemolysis which has been fatal at  sufficiently hiqh doses and that the G-6-PD deficient trait has been  selected for in malarial environments."&lt;/blockquote&gt;The highly toxic  hydrogen peroxide is also known to be a biproduct of ascorbic acid  biosynthesis (&lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891584997000622"&gt;Banhegyi  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1997&lt;/a&gt;). Perhaps it is possible that vitamin C is  produced endogenously -- and is, in fact, vital -- &lt;em&gt;in utero&lt;/em&gt;,  but that there are good biochemical reasons for supressing the  expression of GULO later on -- when, in most cases, an adequate dietary  intake of vitamin C has been reached.  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Summary and Conclusion&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The GULO pseudogene may or may not turn out to harbour some sort of  function. With more and more papers coming out documenting a myriad of  functions associated with pseudogenes, such a future finding should not  come as a surprise. The hypothesis of limited common descent seems to  me, for the time being, a reasonable one. Perhaps it is the case that  all taxa belonging to the Primate Order are related by descent.  Extending this inference to &lt;em&gt;universal&lt;/em&gt; common descent, however,  runs into substantial scientific problems. Whichever scenario turns out  to be correct, it has no bearing on the question of the respective  scientific merits of neo-Darwinism and intelligent design to account for  the complexity of life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/gulo_shared_mut056281.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;This article was previously published on Evolution News &amp;amp; Views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1854059155160617637?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1854059155160617637/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/gulo-pseudogene-and-its-implications.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1854059155160617637'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1854059155160617637'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/gulo-pseudogene-and-its-implications.html' title='The GULO Pseudogene and Its Implications for Common Descent'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iYxRBk6-fh0/Tz4oEdvJARI/AAAAAAAAAKE/xKsa0EYxHRw/s72-c/primate.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-5593623994594215535</id><published>2012-02-16T04:28:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-16T04:29:49.298-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Resurrection'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>NT Wright on the Resurrection of Jesus</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/W0Dc01HVlaM" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5593623994594215535?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5593623994594215535/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/nt-wright-on-resurrection-of-jesus.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5593623994594215535'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5593623994594215535'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/nt-wright-on-resurrection-of-jesus.html' title='NT Wright on the Resurrection of Jesus'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/W0Dc01HVlaM/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-9024097473188893796</id><published>2012-02-16T02:26:00.002-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-16T04:25:47.171-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Epistemology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mormonism'/><title type='text'>Epistemology and the Mormon Testimony</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;I am sure the first question most reading this is,what is epistemology? Sounds like it could be a swear word in some countries.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Epistemology is how you come to believe the thingsthat you believe. Or how do you know the things you know? It can be as simpleas how do you know you love your family? You would know this maybe from thestrong emotion you get when you see them or think about them, or how do youknow you are married to your spouse? This could be again the emotional link butalso as simple as the certificate you have which declares it to be so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;One of the big errors that can go on when it comesto religious discussion between any faiths, but I would say particularlybetween Born again Christians and Latter-day Saint members is the naturaldesire to discuss beliefs, but not how you come to this belief as there is avery significant difference in this between the two.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This is something the Mormon Missionaries willraise quite quickly when they ask you to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;“Praywith all sincerity to see if the book of Mormon is true”. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This sounds very reasonable as what is wrong withpraying, however this question goes very deep in showing how different we arein how we evaluate what is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Members of the Mormon church use as their mainauthority for the truthfulness of the Mormon church a personal internalwitness, they refer to this as their testimony. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This comes from Mormon church history stating thatJoseph Smith was wondering which of the Christian churches were true, inreading the bible he came across James 1:5 which says:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Ifany of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally,and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Joseph took this as to mean pray and ask whichchurch is true, this led him to pray and thus came a vision of God saying allof the churches are wrong, dont join any of them, this paved the way for therestoration through the Latter-Day saint church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This is also spelt out more clearly in the book ofMormon, Moroni 10:3-5 says this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall readthese things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye wouldremember how &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/3a" title="Gen. 19: 16."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;merciful&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the Lord hathbeen unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until thetime that ye shall receive these things, and &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/3b" title="Deut. 11: 18; TG Meditation; TG Study."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;ponder&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;it in your &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/3c" title="Deut. 6: 6."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;hearts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. And when ye shall receive these things, Iwould exhort you that ye would &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4a" title="TG Prayer."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;ask&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; God, the EternalFather, in the name of Christ, if these things are not &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4b" title="1 Ne. 13: 39; 1 Ne. 14: 30; Mosiah 1: 6; Alma 3: 12; Ether 4: 11 (6-11); Ether 5: 3 (1-4); TG Book of Mormon."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;true&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;; and if ye shall ask with a &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4c" title="TG Honesty; TG Sincerity."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;sincere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; heart, with &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4d" title="James 1: 6 (6-7); Moro. 7: 9."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;real&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;intent, having &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4e" title="TG Faith."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in Christ, he will &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4f" title="TG Revelation."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;manifest&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/4g" title="Ps. 145: 18; TG Guidance, Divine; TG Truth."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;truth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the HolyGhost ye may &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/5a" title="D&amp;amp;C 35: 19; TG Discernment, Spiritual; TG Holy Ghost, Source of Testimony."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;know&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/5b" title="John 8: 32."&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;truth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; of all things.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Mormons today state that going on the direction ofthis verse they pray and ask if the Mormon church is true and most if not allmembers claim to have had a spiritual experience when doing this. For some itis a warm sensation in their heart known as “the burning in the bosom”, forsome it is just a sense of being awakened to the truthfulness of the Mormonchurch but all claim this is the moment that they realized the church is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This is what LDS member Mark Alan says about it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Allof my ancestors for several generations back were Mormons, so I was raised aMormon. But there came a time in my life (as there is in all peoples lives)when they start to question the things taught be their parents. I was ateenager and I enjoyed going to church, and doing all the activities that wentalong with that, but I wasn’t sure if everything I had been taught was true.Specifically, I wanted to know if the Book of Mormon really was from God, or ifthe book was made up by Joseph Smith. I knew it had to be one or the other. Idecided I would read the book and pray about it. I had learned that the Book ofMormon has a promise in the last pages. In Moroni 10:3-5 I learned that if Iread with real intent, and prayed about the book, I could learn the truththrough the power of the Holy Ghost. I wasn’t quite sure what to expect. As Iread the book, I started to feel a burning sensation in my heart. I feltpeaceful and happy, and suddenly it all started to make sense. Later I realizedthat the Holy Ghost was testifying to my that what I was reading was true. &lt;a href="http://www.mormon.org/me/17HV-eng/MarkAlan"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;Here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;So as we can see this is a very personal and verysignificant thing for Mormon church members, once a month they have a testimonymeeting on a sunday morning where many will in turn and often emotionally beartheir testimony, which is a declaration that they “know the church is true”.What I want to look at is, is this thinking biblical, where does it come from,and what is the best Christian response?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" lang="EN" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Is the concept of the Mormon Testimony Biblical?And if not how should you respond when asked to pray about it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;To look at this I have to explore what is ChristianEpistemology? Christians when they come to faith in Christ, giving themselvesto Him in a prayer of faith are putting their trust in Him, this trust mighthave come from reading the bible, it might have come from hearing a preacher,hearing a life story, or it could even come from evidence for Christianity, andthere are many many more things it could come from.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;I was a 17 year old teenager living the same lifeas many other teenagers, hating college through the week, getting drunk at theweekend and just living a normal enough life for people around me(not that allteenagers do this). I had no interest or belief in God that I could speak ofand was quite happy that way. For me personally I got invited along to an eventcalled the Alpha course and I went just because it was something different withfree food in a nice place. I expected to be told I waesn’t good enough and Iwould have to shape up to go to heaven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;In reality week by week I was presented withstories of lives changed by a living, active and loving God, week by week thisgot more of my interest but I still wasn’t ready to act on it. Then we lookedat sin, of all the weeks I would have expected to feel bad on this one, butinstead I was shown that as someone separate from God I was lost in my sin, andin my own strength by my own good works I was powerless to change that. Thenthe message of Christs sacrificial amazing grace filled love struck my heartmore than ever before.  Then at that weekend, rather than getting drunk Iwas reading a booklet in my bedroom that talked about putting your faith inChrist, so I did it, I simply prayed a prayer of commitment. This didn’t leadto lightening bolts from the sky however I simply became aware of God and Hislove for me  and I saw the world from then on in a different way. My attitudeschanged and church and the bible and prayer all became privileges rather thanthings I felt I should do, in a way that was my internal witness that God lovedand accepted me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;It is important to note that the actual internalwitness for me came after conversion, yes my heart was struck by the words thatwere said however it was the words of the gospel that I responded to, and notany emotion or feeling inside me. This ties in with the bible which doesabsolutely teach there there is an internal change or witness, however thisoccurs after we give ourselves to God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Romans8:16&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,that we are the children of God:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This happened to me, however as I said this feelingdid not cause me to become a Christian it came after. Why is that important?Because we respond to the word of God not an internal feeling for trueconversion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Romans10:17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt; &lt;i&gt;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing bythe word of God.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;The bible does not say you can “know” anything istrue from an internal witness it says that you respond by faith towards Christand He then steps towards you. Going on to what the bible says about how tomeasure what is true, the bible says that God’s word is the measure of what istrue.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;In the book of Act’s we see a story of Paulpreaching to the berean’s, when presented with a message that was clearlydifferent to what they believed they did what Christians should do to measurewhat is true.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Acts17:11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt; &lt;i&gt;These were more noble than those inThessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, andsearched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;They searched the Scriptures, and the bible hereeven calls them noble also, they did not pray about it to maybe see how theyfelt about it, they searched the scriptures to see of what they were hearingmeasured up to that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;2Timothy 3:16&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt; &lt;i&gt;says All scripture is given by inspiration ofGod, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, forinstruction in righteousness.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Scripture is where you go as it is profitable fordoctrine, reproof, correction and righteousness. I have always said to MormonMissionaries that if they can show me in the bible that what they believe istrue then I will seriously consider my position. In the end time and time againwhen it has been clearly shown this is not the case then I get told “Well BobbyI know the church is true”. This is in the face of biblical as well as other evidencesand is sadly not biblical, the bible never says pray to see what is true as thereality is these good feelings you feel are not necessarily of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;As a side note James 1:5 is actually misquoted whenused as a way to measure truth. Firstly it is wrote to Christians so thereforeit is wrote to people who have already found faith anyway and I heavily doubtJames was trying to move them on to other beliefs. Secondly wisdom is nottruth, wisdom is asking God in your day to day live to help you live in a Godlyway, it is not asking God in your day to day life what is true. So when youhave a Mormon Missionary in your living room asking you to pray about thesethings there are two reasons why you should not do it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" lang="EN" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;1. The bible clearly shows the measure of truth isthe scripture you already have, so what Mormonism says should be measuredagainst the bible. Missionaries have said to me in the past that what theybelieve is biblical. After a few challenges to this one missionary said to me “Wellbobby your destroying my faith in the bible”. I wasn’t quite sure what to dowith that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;2. This is in reality a psychological trap. Thismay sound a bit harsh but lets take away all this bible talk for a minute,think about this. A Mormon missionary says to you “pray with all sincerity thisis true”. What happens if you pray that the book of Mormon is true and actuallyfeel nothing, that must mean its not true right? Or depending how post-modernyou are it might mean its not true for you. So you may do this and think that’sa relief don’t need to change my faith, its not true anyway. So you go back tothe Mormon missionaries and say sorry guys I felt nothing so I guess this isn’tfor me. Hey wait a second they will say, you just haven’t prayed with enoughsincerity you need to pray again! And thats where the circular reasoning comesin as what they are saying is this is true! You just need to keep praying untilyou feel it is! And sometimes people will meet up with the Missionaries forweeks or months, they will like them, like their church and want to be part ofa community like that, however they will be told you have to have your owntestimony, so they will pray week after week waiting for that feeling, and thereality is, they will get a feeling. Or imagine someone brought up in a Mormonfamily, maybe a male expected to go on a mission and their whole culture issurrounded by Mormonism, maybe a male expected to go on a mission, however itis expected they have to have a testimony as that is the basis they areexpected to have, I can’t imagine after 18 years of Mormonism they are notgoing to get a feeling its true.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" lang="EN" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Proverbs8:26 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;says:&lt;i&gt; He that trusteth in his own heart is afool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Many may understandably quote&lt;b&gt; Luke 24:32&lt;/b&gt;this says: And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us,while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?This verse underlines the danger of my post, which is simply saying thatemotions and feelings are never useful, they are! However they have to bealined with scripture, it cannot work the other way around. You cannot trustyour feelings to determine what is true, there has to be something external.The sad reality is that many LDS scholars have admitted that the book of Mormonhas no external archaeological evidence, and the gospel the Mormon churchteaches is contrary to the bible this sadly means its members are left alonewith an internal feeling and sadly not the gift of righteousness by faith alonein Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;So as a born again Christian meeting up with MormonMissionaries please do not agree to pray about the book of Mormon but ratherask them to show you if what they are saying is biblical and see if the Jesusand salvation that they are talking about even remotely resembles the one youknow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Where does theconcept of Mormon Testimony come from?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Many LDS may or may not know this but JosephSmith’s religious background is Methodist, history records that Smith appliedfor membership in the Methodist church in 1828, interestingly 8 years after therevelation that &lt;a href="http://utlm.org/newsletters/no95.htm#Smith%20and%20the%20Methodists"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;all otherchurches were false&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;However why this is relevant is that the founder ofthe Methodist church John Wesley said this in his journal about his conversion:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;‘In the evening I went very unwillingly to asociety in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther’s preface to theEpistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while he was describing thechange which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heartstrangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation:and an assurance was given me, that He had taken away my sins, even mine, andsaved me from the law of sin and death.’ &lt;a href="http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-2194-%27Strangely-warmed%27.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;Here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;This is now a very key part of Methodist thinking,on the official Methodist website under the heading of assurance of salvationWesley is &lt;a href="http://www.methodist.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=opentogod.content&amp;amp;cmid=1496"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;quoted here as this being his assurance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;Interestingly both the Methodist and the Mormonwitness have both had the title “Burning in the bosom” used to describe them.In the very least it is an interesting comparison and could account for whereJoseph Smith got this thinking from.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: 18.0pt; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=" Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;color:#333333;" lang="EN"  &gt;So thank you for reading please leave a commentwith any of your thoughts or comments.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" lang="EN" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Original article by Bobby Gilpin of &lt;a href="http://www.upfc.org.uk/"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;UK Partnerships for Christ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-9024097473188893796?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/9024097473188893796/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/epistemology-and-mormon-testimony.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/9024097473188893796'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/9024097473188893796'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/epistemology-and-mormon-testimony.html' title='Epistemology and the Mormon Testimony'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-51973958337988077</id><published>2012-02-15T04:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-15T04:57:32.543-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Gospel'/><title type='text'>What have we done to the Gospel? 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Paul Washer'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/Mp9Q9uNqJu4/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6000297604378412611</id><published>2012-02-14T12:45:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-16T02:32:29.148-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poll Data'/><title type='text'>The UK Christianity Crisis</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;What is the greatest threat to Christianity in the UK? Secularism? Growing atheism? Loss of Christian tradition? Less people identifying as Christians?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;For me, it is none of these. To the contrary, I think the greatest threat to Christianity in the UK is the &lt;i&gt;presence&lt;/i&gt; of a 'Christian' tradition. Let me explain what I mean.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Ipsos MORI have just released &lt;a href="http://c3414097.r97.cf0.rackcdn.com/IpsosMORI_RDFRS-UK_Survey_Topline_15-02-2012.pdf"&gt;survey results&lt;/a&gt;, taken from those who say they were recorded as Christian in the 2011 census, or who would have put themselves down as Christian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;To begin with, there are a few problems with the study: the obvious one is that this is not actually a survey of people who identify as Christians. Rather, it is a survey of people who were recorded as Christian - a lot of the respondents said they would not have filled in "Christian" if they filled it in themselves. So the results are probably not as bad as they come across. But nevertheless, I think there is serious cause for concern here. Let me give a few examples of questions and responses:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q19. Which of the following statements best describes YOUR personal view of God?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I believe in God and I believe that Christianity is just one way of knowing him 37%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I believe in God and I believe that Christianity is the only true way of knowing him 17%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I think of God as being the laws of nature and everything in the universe 13%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I don’t believe in God but think there may be some kind of supernatural intelligence out there 10%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I think of God as being whatever caused the universe 9%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I don’t believe in God 6%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;None of these 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know 4%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 2%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So, only 54% of people named as Christians believe in God in any non-pantheistic sense, and 10% of named Christians are explicitly pagan. Not a great start.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q23. What is the first book of the NEW Testament?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Matthew 35%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Genesis 19%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Acts of the Apostles 3%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Psalms 3%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know  39%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It would be easy to get into self-righteousness here: fair enough, not everyone is great at keeping up with their Bible reading, and some don't have great memories. And, of course, the order of New Testament books is not necessarily of enormous importance. But 35% correct is still pretty low, and the results leave the reader baffled as to why anyone would "prefer not to say"(???).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q24. Which of the following BEST describes your belief about the resurrection?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus came back to life spiritually but not physically after being dead 39%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus came back to life physically after being dead 32%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I do not believe in the resurrection 18%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;None of these 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know  7%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 3%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I guess this is &lt;i&gt;relatively&lt;/i&gt; more encouraging: 71% of people identified as Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected in at least some sense. Given that over 50% of the population were identified as Christians by the census, this gives a result of 30-40% of the UK population believing in Jesus' resurrection. I'm surprised that it's this high, personally, so this was an encouragement in at least some way. But, of course, the problem is that only 32% of Christians believe in the cornerstone of Christianity, of which Paul wrote: "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless and you are still in your sins". So, swings and roundabouts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q25.  Which of the following BEST describes your view about Jesus?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus is the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind 44&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus was a man who gave us a role model for how to live 32&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus was just a man 13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I do not believe Jesus really existed 4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;None of these 1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know 4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I suppose this is similar to the last one. Encouraged and puzzled by the result that around 20-25% of the UK population believe Jesus is the Son of God, but more than underwhelmed that only 44% of Christians believe this. Also, 4% of &lt;i&gt;Christians&lt;/i&gt; don't believe that Jesus really existed? I'm surprised anyone of any persuasion would believe that - very depressing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Views on social issues are interesting, at least - there seems to be a clear shift. Only 28% of Christians agreed that homosexual relations were wrong, and a huge 63% believed that a woman should be able to have an abortion if she wants one, provided it was within the legal time limit. Only 23% believed that sex is only acceptable within marriage.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The last set of questions were quite worrying. Here's a selection:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q48.  Overall, how important, if at all, is Christianity in your life?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Very important 21%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Fairly important 39%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not very important 27%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not at all important 11%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So 38% of Christians regarded Christianity as unimportant. Awkward. The next one's pretty scary:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q49.  When it comes to right and wrong, which of the following, if any, do you MOST&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;look to for guidance?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;My own inner moral sense 54%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Parents, family or friends 25%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Religious teachings and beliefs 10%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Philosophy and reason 7%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;None of the above 2%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 1%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I will leave the commentary on this one to the reader. The final question I'll give is the most concerning, I think:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Q51.  Which is the ONE statement that BEST describes what being a Christian means &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;to you personally?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I try to be a good person 40%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It’s how I was brought up 24%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour 15%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I believe in the teachings of Jesus 7%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It’s a British tradition 4%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It gives me hope in an afterlife 3%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Something else 0%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Don’t know 2%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prefer not to say 4%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;This&lt;/i&gt; is where it is really problematic. Brothers and sisters, for whatever reason, we have failed to communicate the &lt;i&gt;news&lt;/i&gt;, the &lt;i&gt;gospel&lt;/i&gt; of Jesus, to our country. Millennia have gone by with humans striving to be good, trying to earn God's favour and trying to attain salvation by our own deeds. The attempt to be saved, to reach the highest good, by our own merit is a fundamental misunderstanding of grace, and is most often rooted in idolatry, where humans fail to see the absolutely gracious and merciful nature of God, and exchange it for something they feel they can reach themselves.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Christianity teaches us differently, that while we were yet enemies of God, He reached out to us and offered us his redemptive, saving arm, regardless of what we had done. That we have not communicated this to our countrypeople is a travesty, and ought to make us reconsider how we can reclaim the challenge and news of the gospel, and use this scandalous message to help open hearts to Jesus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-6000297604378412611?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6000297604378412611/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/uk-christianity-crisis_14.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6000297604378412611'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6000297604378412611'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/uk-christianity-crisis_14.html' title='The UK Christianity Crisis'/><author><name>Calum Miller</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09612773672997474524</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1888849602602162843</id><published>2012-02-14T12:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-14T12:32:30.677-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Debates'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bart Ehrman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Textual Criticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Is The Original New Testament Lost? 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Margulis, a scientist whom I  admired greatly, was &lt;a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/252/5004/378"&gt;never a stranger&lt;/a&gt;  to controversy, going so far as to &lt;a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/252/5004/378"&gt;call&lt;/a&gt;  neo-Darwinism "a complete funk" and &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/04/lynn_margulis_criticizes_neo-d045691.html"&gt;asserting&lt;/a&gt;  that "The critics, including the creationist critics, are right about  their criticism. It's just that they've got nothing to offer by  intelligent design or 'God did it.' They have no alternatives that are  scientific." She was a scientist who wasn't afraid to think creatively,  disregarding the scorn of her colleagues. According to the &lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/science-obituaries/8954456/Lynn-Margulis.html"&gt;  &lt;em&gt;Telegraph&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, a response to one grant application she made  said: "Your research is crap. Don't ever bother to apply again."  &lt;p&gt;Lynn Margulis took a controversial view on how evolution works,  stressing the importance of symbiotic and co-operative relationships  over competition. This concept of evolution inspired what is now  recognized as her most notable idea, the notion that the eukaryotic &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5BwBKbBtRM"&gt;mitochondrion&lt;/a&gt; --  the power plant of the cell -- was acquired by virtue of an  endosymbiotic event. Endosymbiotic theory essentially maintains that  mitochondria arose by virtue of a symbiotic union of prokaryote cells.  The nearest living relative to the mitochondrion is thought to be the  alpha-proteobacteria &lt;em&gt;Rickettsia&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11457448"&gt;Emelyanov, 2000&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v396/n6707/full/396133a0.html"&gt;Andersson  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1998&lt;/a&gt;). Chloroplasts are also thought to have  arisen in a similar manner from the photosynthetic cyanobacteria.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In November 2010, I &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/11/on_the_energetics_of_genome_co040431.html"&gt;drew  attention&lt;/a&gt; to a &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7318/full/nature09486.html"&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt;  in &lt;em&gt;Nature&lt;/em&gt; by Nick Lane and Bill Martin, who showed that the  prokaryote-to-eukaryote transition was effectively impossible without  the energy demands, pertinent to the biggest event of gene manufacture  in the history of life on earth, being met by the mitochondrial  processes of oxidative phosphorylation and the electron transport chain.  The bacterial cell alone could not meet these energy demands.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The evidence that is typically offered for endosymbiotic theory  includes the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Mitochondria possess a circular genome (lacking in introns and  independent from the nuclear DNA) in which transcription is coupled to  translation, characteristic of bacterial DNA. There are also some other  notable similarities. For example, in both mitochondria and &lt;em&gt;Mycoplasma&lt;/em&gt;,  the codon UGA specifies the amino acid &lt;em&gt;Tryptophan&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/xc371u69n6x10t3f/"&gt;Hayashi-Ishimaru  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1997&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v285/n5766/abs/285579a0.html"&gt;Martin  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1980&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://jb.asm.org/content/172/1/504.full.pdf"&gt;Inamine &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt;  1990&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC397546/"&gt;Yamao,  1985&lt;/a&gt;), whereas in the conventional code it serves as a stop codon.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Mitochondria divide and replicate independently of host cell  division and do so in a manner akin to binary fission, possessing  homologues of the bacterial division protein FtsZ (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15144062"&gt;Kiefel &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt;  2004&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;They are enclosed by a double-membrane.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Mitochondria and bacteria are of a similar size and shape.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Circular Mitochondrial Genome&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;As noted, one of the core arguments for endosymbiosis points to its  circular genome. What is often not noted, however, are the cases where  eukaryotic mitochondria have &lt;em&gt;linear&lt;/em&gt; genomes with &lt;em&gt;eukaryotic  telomeres&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href="http://mic.sgmjournals.org/content/150/5/1571.short"&gt;Rycovska &lt;em&gt;et  al.,&lt;/em&gt; 2004&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168952598014437"&gt;Nosek  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1998&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC359551/"&gt;Fukuhara &lt;em&gt;et  al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1993&lt;/a&gt;). Indeed, two strains of the same species of yeast  differ with respect to the linearity or circularity of their  mitochondrial genome (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC359551/"&gt;Fukuhara &lt;em&gt;et  al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1993&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8017108"&gt;Drissi &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt;  1994&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In the case of linear chromosomes, the DNA polymerase enzymes are  unable to replicate right to the end of the chromosome. This is because  the enzymes are unable to replace the lagging strand's terminal RNA  primer. Unless there is a mechanism for circumventing this, it will  result in the chromosomes shortening after each round of replication (in  eukaryotes, the enzyme telomerase attaches extra DNA to the chromosomal  ends). This means that the transition from genome circularity to  linearity -- a fete in itself given the changes that have to be made to  the mode of replication -- must happen in concert with the evolution of a  mechanism to prevent progressive chromosomal shortening. Such an  evolutionary transition is far from trivial. Biologist Albert de Roos &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?page_id=225"&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"[I]n  linear mitochondrial chromosomes various different mechanisms to  "prevent" shortening exist, ranging from hairpin loops and self-priming  to protein-assisted primer synthesis (see &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?p=19"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). The  telomeric regions of mitochondrial chromosomes do not seem to have a  direct phylogenetic relation since they use other proteins and  mechanisms than nuclear telomeres. Thus, it is difficult to deduce  evolutionary pathways purely based on phylogenetic data on telomeres and  mechanisms for end replication."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Furthermore, mitochondrial  genes often &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; possess introns (&lt;a href="http://esilrch1.esi.umontreal.ca/%7Edbin6002/FILES/LangFB_2007_TrendsGenet.pdf"&gt;Lang  &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 2007&lt;/a&gt;). These are particularly prevalent in the  mtDNA of fungi and plants. The mitochondrial genetic code may also be  slightly different from that of bacteria (&lt;a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/q240148173118613/"&gt;Jukes and  Osawa, 1990&lt;/a&gt;).  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mitochondrial DNA Replication&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The claim one often hears is that circular mitochondrial DNA  replication resembles bacterial binary fission. While this is true, in  at least some respects, there are also important differences. For  example, many of the key components are of eukaryotic origin and  replication beginning at the Displacement (D-) loop (&lt;a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5704/2098"&gt;Fish &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt;  2004&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://dnareplication.cshl.edu/content/free/chapters/39_clayton.pdf"&gt;Clayton,  1996&lt;/a&gt;) is not the same as bacterial DNA replication.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Double Membrane&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is frequently asserted that the double membrane of mitochondria  provides evidence for its endosymbiotic origin. There are, however,  important differences between bacterial and mitochondrial membranes.  Albert de Roos &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?page_id=221"&gt;observes&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"The  bacterial membrane is one of the basic characteristics that distinguish  bacteria from eukaryotes, see some examples &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?p=205"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. In order  for mitochondria to resemble bacterial membranes, they should share  characteristics such as a cell wall with peptidoglycan and  lipopolysaccharides, gram-staining and antibiotic sensitivity. Some  effects of antibiotics have been seen with both bacteria and  mitochondria, but the effect is minor while the use of antibiotics is  based on the principle that they distinguish between bacteria and  eukarytes, including the mitochondrion (&lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?p=206"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Until  then, the selection of a few apparent similarities while ignoring the  many differences does not indicate a bacterial origin for mitochondria.  On the contrary, the fact that their membranes are so different as well  as the fact that nearly all genes are encoded by the nucleus is  primarily evidence against a bacterial origin.  &lt;p&gt;Even though some shared characteristics may be found, we have to  realize that bacterial and eukaryotic membranes are fundamentally  different. It seems virtually impossible to change all fundamental  bacterial membrane characteristics and replace them with a eukaryotic  counterpart without loosing membrane integrity. The differences between  the membranes of mitochondria and the cell walls of bacteria make the  endosymbiotic theory mechanistically difficult. It seems quite clear  that bacterial membranes do not change easily into other membranes, and  frankly I don't see any scenarios in which to change all these membrane  components without drastically affecting fitness."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The  Size and Shape of Mitochondria&lt;/strong&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The argument based on the size and shape of mitochondria is one that  has been turned on its head in recent years, being transformed from an  argument &lt;em&gt;for&lt;/em&gt; endosymbiosis to one &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt; it. These  organelles are now acknowledged in the literature to be better  understood as dynamic reticular structures (see &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?p=201"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; for  references).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Electron micrographs displaying cross-sections of mitochondria  portrayed the mitochondrion as a sphere. However, when one looks at 3D  models of the organelle, the reality is somewhat different. You can take  a look at some of these images by going &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?attachment_id=106"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?attachment_id=100"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?attachment_id=85"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,  or &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?attachment_id=101"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Lack of a Mechanism&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;By far the most potent challenge to the endosymbiotic origin of  eukaryotic mitochondria is the lack of a viable mechanism, perhaps most  particularly with respect to the transfer of genes from the  mitochondrion to the nucleus.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;For one thing, there are the variants on the conventional genetic  code. This means that, over the course of their transfer to the nucleus,  the genes would need to be "recoded" so as to comply with the  conventional genetic code. For example, recognizing UGA as a stop codon  instead of the codon for &lt;em&gt;Tryptophan&lt;/em&gt; (or vice versa) would cause  cellular mayhem.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Secondly, mitochondrial proteins made at the ribosomes in the  eukaryote cytoplasm need to be identified as such to ensure that they  are properly dispatched (this is normally done by attaching a "label" in  the form of an extra length of polypeptide to the protein). This would  require a coincidental modification of the correct structural gene  (which seems unlikely). Biologist Timothy G. Standish &lt;a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;amp;rct=j&amp;amp;q=if%20genes%20were%20to%20move%20from%20the%20mitochondria%20to%20the%20nucleus%20they%20would%20have%20to%20somehow%20pick%20up%20the%20leader%20sequences%20necessary%20to%20signal%20for%20transport%20before%20they%20could%20be%20functional&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;cd=5&amp;amp;ved=0CEEQFjAE&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fcircle.adventist.org%2Ffiles%2FCD2008%2FCD2%2Fgri%2FEndosymbiosis.ppt&amp;amp;ei=cVIIT6CHEouC8gP1h_WbAQ&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNFJz9CRsBYw_JmFjaFPkFQZxYnFtg&amp;amp;cad=rja"&gt;notes&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"If  genes were to move from the mitochondria to the nucleus they would have  to somehow pick up the leader sequences necessary to signal for  transport before they could be functional. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;While leader sequences seem to have meaningful portions on them,  according to Lewin (1997, p251) sequence homology between different  sequences is not evident, thus there could be no standard sequence that  was tacked on as genes were moved from mitochondria to nucleus.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Alternatively, if genes for mitochondrial proteins existed in the  nucleus prior to loss of genes in the mitochondria, the problem remains,  where did the signal sequences come from? And where did the mechanism  to move proteins with signal sequences on them come from?"&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Albert  de Roos &lt;a href="http://www.origin-of-mitochondria.net/?page_id=222"&gt;explains&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"All  evolutionary theories must offer an explanation in mechanistic terms of  how it should or could have happened in order to be tested. The  difficult thing with the endosymbiotic theory is that it proposes no  real mechanism and most textbooks show the simplistic picture of a cell  that swallows another cell that becomes a mitochondrion. Unfortunately,  it is not so simple as that. There is a difference between the process  of endosymbiosis and its incorporation in the germline, necessitating  genetic changes. What were those changes? What was the host? Was it a  fusion, was it engulfment, how did the mitochondrion get its second  membrane, how did two genomes in one cell integrate and coordinate? The  theory is also strongly teleological, illustrated by the widely used  term 'enslavement'. But how do you enslave another cell, how do you  replace its proteins and genes without affecting existing functions? The  existence of obligate bacterial endosymbionts in some present  eukaryotes is often presented as a substitute for a mechanism, but they  remain bacteria and give not rise to new organelles. So, before we can  speak of the endosymbiotic as a testable scientific theory, we need a  mechanistic scenario which is lacking at the moment.  &lt;p&gt;When we do try to envision a mechanistic scenario based on the  endosymbiotic theory, we quickly run into problems. Genetic mutations  that allow bacteria to thrive in the cytoplasm would not be strategic  for survival. Anaerobic cells normally do not survive in environment  that contains oxygen, while the endosymbiont would need oxygen in order  to present fitness advantage. The two organisms would initially compete  for energy sources since bacteria are users of ATP and do not export it.  The extensive gene transfer that is needed in the endosymbiotic theory  would wreak havoc in a complex genome since frequent insertion of random  pieces of mitochondrial DNA would disrupt existing functions.  Furthermore, gene transfer is a multi-step process were genes need to be  moved to the nucleus, the different genetic code of mitochondria needs  to be circumvented, the genes need to be expressed correctly, as well as  imported back into the mitochondria in order to be functional. All in  all, mechanistic scenarios for the endosymbiotic theory imply many  non-functional intermediates or would just be plain harmful to an  organism. Therefore, the endosymbiotic theory is in contrast with the  concept of gradualism that forms the basis of modern evolutionary  theory."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Furthermore, this gene transfer must have taken  place at a time extremely early in the history of eukaryotes,  substantially reducing the window of time in which gene transfer could  have occurred.  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Summary and Conclusion&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;While we find examples of similarity between eukaryotic mitochondria  and bacterial cells, other cases also reveal stark differences. In  addition, the sheer lack of a mechanistic basis for mitochondrial  endosymbiotic assimilation ought to -- at the very least -- give us  reason for caution and the expectation of some fairly spectacular  evidence for the claim being made. At present, however, such evidence  does not exist -- and justifiably gives one cause for skepticism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/01/on_the_origin_o054891.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;This article was originally published on Evolution News &amp;amp; Views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1193151595050923614?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1193151595050923614/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-origin-of-mitochondria-reasons-for.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1193151595050923614'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1193151595050923614'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-origin-of-mitochondria-reasons-for.html' title='On the Origin of Mitochondria: Reasons for Skepticism on the Endosymbiotic Story'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tAHkfA0M0jg/TzpjQdBTTwI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/d5OgsyS7pU4/s72-c/mitochondria.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-2860207525335476630</id><published>2012-02-13T14:31:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-21T03:26:42.248-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humour / Parodies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Richard Dawkins'/><title type='text'>Will The Archbishop of Canterbury Debate Richard Dawkins?</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/i6ZD8KpPv3k" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-2860207525335476630?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2860207525335476630/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/will-archbishop-of-canterbury-debate.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/2860207525335476630'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/2860207525335476630'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/will-archbishop-of-canterbury-debate.html' title='Will The Archbishop of Canterbury Debate Richard Dawkins?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/i6ZD8KpPv3k/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6458002055413258692</id><published>2012-02-12T14:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-12T15:21:33.644-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Miracles'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='David Hume'/><title type='text'>What Is Evidence? - Tim McGrew</title><content type='html'>Thought I'd share a piece from a philosopher and friend, Tim McGrew, from the Routledge Companion to Epistemology. Tim has done a tonne of work in Epistemology, the Historical Jesus and Philosophy of Religion, and shares a number of insights here, especially with regard to the common sceptical claim that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Check the whole piece out &lt;a href="http://homepages.wmich.edu/~mcgrew/Evidence.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and feel free to read through this taster:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Another common slogan, also popularized by Sagan, is that Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Much depends, of course, on what counts as extraordinary, both in a claim and in evidence. It cannot be simply that a claim is unprecedented. At a certain level of detail, almost any claim is unprecedented; but this does not necessarily mean that it requires evidence out of the ordinary to establish it. Consider this claim: “Aunt Matilda won a game of Scrabble Thursday night with a score of 438 while sipping a cup of mint tea.” Each successive modifying phrase renders the claim less likely to have occurred before; yet there is nothing particularly unbelievable about the claim, and the evidence of a single credible eyewitness might well persuade us that it is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The case is more difficult with respect to types of events that are deemed to be improbable or rare in principle, such as miracles. It is generally agreed in such discussions that such events cannot be common and that it requires more evidence to render them credible than is required in ordinary cases. (Sherlock 1769) David Hume famously advanced the maxim that No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish (Beauchamp 2000, p. 87), which may have been the original inspiration for the slogan about extraordinary evidence. The proper interpretation of Hume’s maxim has been a source of some debate among Hume scholars, but one plausible formulation in probabilistic terms is that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P(M|T) &amp;gt; P(~M|T) only if P(M) &amp;gt; P(T|~M),&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;where M is the proposition that a miracle has occurred and T is the proposition describing testimonial evidence that it has occurred. This conditional statement is not a consequence of Bayes’s Theorem, but the terms of the latter inequality are good approximations for the terms of the exact inequality&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P(M) P(T|M) &amp;gt; P(~M) P(T|~M)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;when both P(~M) and P(T|M) are close to 1. There is, then, a plausible Bayesian rationale for Hume’s maxim so long as we understand it to be an approximation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It does not follow that the maxim will do the work that Hume (arguably) and many of his followers (unquestionably) have hoped it would. Hume appears to have thought that his maxim would place certain antecedently very improbable events beyond the reach of evidence. But as John Earman has argued (Earman 2000), an event that is antecedently extremely improbable, and in this sense extraordinary, may be rendered probable under the right evidential circumstances, since it is possible in principle that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P(T|M)/P(T|~M) &amp;gt; P(~M)/P(M),&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a condition sufficient to satisfy the rigorous condition underlying Hume’s maxim and the slogan about extraordinary events. The maxim is therefore less useful as a dialectical weapon than is often supposed. It may help to focus disagreements over extraordinary events, but it cannot resolve them."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-6458002055413258692?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6458002055413258692/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-is-evidence-tim-mcgrew.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6458002055413258692'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6458002055413258692'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-is-evidence-tim-mcgrew.html' title='What Is Evidence? - Tim McGrew'/><author><name>Calum Miller</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09612773672997474524</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1562039721682678350</id><published>2012-02-12T11:49:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-12T11:50:52.650-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>Functional Proteins And Information For Body Plans: Stephen C. Meyer</title><content type='html'>&lt;embed flashvars="playerVars=autoPlay=no" src="http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/4050681/stephen_meyer_functional_proteins_and_information_for_body_plans.swf" wmode="transparent" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" name="Metacafe_4050681" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;div style="font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4050681/stephen_meyer_functional_proteins_and_information_for_body_plans/"&gt;Stephen Meyer - Functional Proteins And Information For Body Plans&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href="http://www.metacafe.com/"&gt;More amazing videos are a click away&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1562039721682678350?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1562039721682678350/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/functional-proteins-and-information-for.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1562039721682678350'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1562039721682678350'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/functional-proteins-and-information-for.html' title='Functional Proteins And Information For Body Plans: Stephen C. Meyer'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1312867804522721650</id><published>2012-02-12T07:43:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-12T09:19:24.206-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sunday Quote'/><title type='text'>A Sunday Quote For Darwin Day</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="statusUnit"&gt;&lt;div class="tlTxFe"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"A fair result can be  obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on  both sides of each question."&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Charles Darwin&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Happy Academic Freedom Day everybody! &lt;a href="http://www.academicfreedomday.com/"&gt;http://www.academicfreedomday.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1312867804522721650?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1312867804522721650/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote-for-darwin-day.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1312867804522721650'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1312867804522721650'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote-for-darwin-day.html' title='A Sunday Quote For Darwin Day'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-4055065513832744529</id><published>2012-02-11T05:26:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-11T16:22:36.219-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK Apologetics Talks'/><title type='text'>Tim Keller and Mike Cain talks</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/963/083/96308399_640.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 621px; height: 360px;" src="http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/963/083/96308399_640.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This week, Tim Keller and Mike Cain have been giving a series of talks for Oxford University's Mission Week. There are still a couple to be put online at the time of writing, but do feel free to check them out - both are terrific communicators! Watch or listen to them &lt;a href="http://www.thisisjesus.org/whats-happening-talks.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-4055065513832744529?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4055065513832744529/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/tim-keller-and-mike-cain-talks.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4055065513832744529'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4055065513832744529'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/tim-keller-and-mike-cain-talks.html' title='Tim Keller and Mike Cain talks'/><author><name>Calum Miller</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09612773672997474524</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7151246991034101080</id><published>2012-02-10T12:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-10T12:44:55.704-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Events and Announcements'/><title type='text'>Discovery Institute 2012 Summer Seminars, JULY 6-14, 2012 Seattle, WA</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ua1-5AFk9rU/TzWBuVWndaI/AAAAAAAAAJs/qTBgKzFgvxw/s1600/DNA.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 359px; height: 269px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ua1-5AFk9rU/TzWBuVWndaI/AAAAAAAAAJs/qTBgKzFgvxw/s320/DNA.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5707610735767942562" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Two years ago, I had the tremendous opportunity to travel to Seattle,  Washington, and take part in Discovery Institute’s yearly summer  seminar for undergraduate and graduate students. Truth be told, it was  one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I had the chance to  interact at a one-on-one level with key ID scholars including William  Dembski, Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson, Richard Sternberg, Stephen C.  Meyer, Scott Minnich, Michael Behe, Douglas Axe, Ann Gauger, Jay  Richards, and Bruce Gordon (and more!). I also made many good friends  from all over the world, most of whom I have remained in contact with  even until now. If you are a postgraduate or undergraduate student who  is keen on ID and is swithering on whether or not this is for you, then I  &lt;strong&gt;strongly&lt;/strong&gt; encourage you to apply! Not only will you get  connected with many phenomenal like-minded people, you will never think  the same way about ID and evolution ever again! Best of all, if you are  accepted for the program, you needn’t pay a cent! Travel expenses,  lodging, meals, the lot, are fully funded. &lt;p&gt;Even if your academic discipline isn’t in the natural sciences, you  needn’t worry — there is a program which is specifically geared towards  those with a background in social sciences, humanities, law or theology!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Below are the details and information you need to APPLY.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;———————————–&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.discovery.org/csc/summerseminar/"&gt;Details here&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“The Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute&lt;/strong&gt; announces two intensive 9-day seminars for college students during the summer of 2012.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The CSC Seminar on Intelligent Design in the Natural Sciences&lt;/strong&gt;  will prepare students to make research contributions advancing the  growing science of intelligent design (ID). The seminar will explore  cutting-edge ID work in fields such as molecular biology, biochemistry,  embryology, developmental biology, paleontology, computational biology,  ID-theoretic mathematics, cosmology, physics, and the history and  philosophy of science. The seminar will include presentations on the  application of intelligent design to laboratory research as well as  frank treatment of the academic realities that ID researchers confront  in graduate school and beyond, and strategies for dealing with them.  Although the primary focus of the seminar is science, there also will be  discussion of the worldview implications of the debate over intelligent  design. Participants will benefit from classroom instruction and  interaction with prominent ID researchers and scholars. Past seminars  have included such speakers as Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer, William  Dembski, Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson, Jay Richards, Douglas Axe, Ann  Gauger, Richard Sternberg, Robert Marks, Scott Minnich, and Bruce  Gordon. The seminar is open to students who intend to pursue graduate  studies in the natural sciences or the philosophy of science. Applicants  must be college juniors or seniors or already in graduate school.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Do you have a commitment to truth and to following the evidence  where it leads? Do you have the desire, the vision and the determination  necessary to breathe new purpose into the scientific enterprise and  influence its self-understanding in ways that will benefit both science  and humanity? Apply to become one of a select group of students  participating in this exciting workshop.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Admission Requirements:&lt;/strong&gt; You must be currently  enrolled in a college or university as a junior, senior, or graduate  student. Required application materials include (1) a resume/cv, (2) a  copy of your academic transcript, (3) a short statement of your interest  in intelligent design and its perceived relationship to your career  plans and field of study, and (4) either a letter of recommendation from  a professor who knows your work and is friendly toward ID, or a phone  interview with the seminar director.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Room, Board, and Travel Costs: &lt;/strong&gt;Students selected  for these seminars will be provided with course materials, lodging and  most meals. Travel assistance will also be provided up to a specified  amount.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The C.S. Lewis Fellows Program on Science and Society&lt;/strong&gt;  will explore the growing impact of science on politics, economics,  social policy, bioethics, theology, and the arts during  the past  century. The program is named after celebrated British writer C.S.  Lewis, a perceptive critic of both scientism and technocracy in books  such as The Abolition of Man and That Hideous Strength. Topics to be  addressed include the history of science, the relationship between faith  and science, the rise of scientific materialism, the debate over  Darwinian theory and intelligent design, evolutionary conceptions of  ethics, science and economics, science and criminal justice, stem cell  research and abortion, eugenics, family life and sexuality, ecology and  animal rights, climate change, the impact of evolutionary theory on  theology, the coverage of science controversies by the newsmedia, legal  and public policy conflicts over science education, and the relationship  between science and the arts. Participants will benefit from classroom  instruction and interaction with prominent researchers, writers, and  scholars, such as Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer, Wesley J. Smith, David  Klinghoffer, Jonathan Witt, Jonathan Wells, Jay Richards, and John West.  The seminar is open to college/university students who intend careers  in the social sciences, humanities, law, or theology.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Admission Requirements:&lt;/strong&gt; You must be currently  enrolled in a college/university, seminary, or law school as a junior,  senior, or graduate student. Your field of study should be in the social  sciences, humanities, theology, or law. Required application materials  include (1) a resume/cv, (2) a copy of your academic transcript, (3) a  short statement of your interest in the program and its perceived  relationship to your career plans and field of study, and (4) a letter  of recommendation from a professor or a phone interview with the seminar  director.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Room, Board, and Travel Costs: &lt;/strong&gt;Students selected  for these seminars will be provided with course materials, lodging and  most meals. Travel assistance will also be provided up to a specified  amount.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Application Deadline:&lt;/strong&gt; Applications will be accepted until&lt;strong&gt; April 13, 2012&lt;/strong&gt;,  although earlier applications may receive priority consideration.  Questions or requests for more information should be directed to &lt;a href="mailto:cscseminar@discovery.org"&gt;cscseminar@discovery.org&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Application Procedure:&lt;/strong&gt; All applications are required to be submitted online at &lt;a href="http://www.tfaforms.com/227931" target="_blank"&gt; http://www.tfaforms.com/227931 &lt;/a&gt; .”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7151246991034101080?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7151246991034101080/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/discovery-institute-2012-summer.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7151246991034101080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7151246991034101080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/discovery-institute-2012-summer.html' title='Discovery Institute 2012 Summer Seminars, JULY 6-14, 2012 Seattle, WA'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ua1-5AFk9rU/TzWBuVWndaI/AAAAAAAAAJs/qTBgKzFgvxw/s72-c/DNA.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7931765138246879025</id><published>2012-02-10T07:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-20T09:05:49.717-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Petitions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pornography'/><title type='text'>UK Petition: Protect our Children's Innocence Online</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ljqY7iWpPk0/TzVBlx519jI/AAAAAAAAAJg/0aYQZrtz-q0/s1600/innocence.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5707540220068886066" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ljqY7iWpPk0/TzVBlx519jI/AAAAAAAAAJg/0aYQZrtz-q0/s320/innocence.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; height: 225px; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; width: 320px;" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://safetynet.org.uk/thefacts.php"&gt;From here:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Every day children and young people are accessing mainstream  pornography on the internet, including the most hardcore, violent and  abusive images. Evidence clearly shows pornography has a detrimental  impact on children and young people including premature sexualisation,  negative body image and unhealthy notions about relationships. This  cannot be allowed to continue.&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Despite parental concerns and the use of computer filters in the  home, the rapid rate at which communications technology is developing,  including convergence of the internet on televisions/ games consoles and  mobile phone technology, makes it increasingly difficult for parents/  carers to supervise their children's use effectively.  Massive  profit-driven competition is harming the vulnerable.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;To better protect children and young people we are calling on  Internet service providers to block pornography by introducing filters  at Internet service provider level.   This will still give adults the  choice to access pornography whilst giving children the freedom to surf  the internet safely.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;h2 style="font-style: italic;"&gt;KEY FACTS&lt;/h2&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Internet becoming integral part of family life in the UK&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;ul style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Approximately 73% of British households now have access to the Internet. (ONS - Internet Access, August 2010)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; 99% of 12-15 year olds, 93% of 8-11 year olds, and 75% of 5-7  year olds use the Internet regularly ( Ofcom, March 2010). In fact,  74%  5-16 yr olds have own laptop or PC;  almost 58% of 5-16 yr olds can now  access the internet in their own room  (ChildWise Monitor 2012).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Internet controls or filtering software is in place in only 39%  of households where a child aged 5-15 uses the internet at home (Ofcom  ‘Children and parents: media use and attitudes report’ – October 2011).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;         &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Children and young people accessing pornography at an alarming rate&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;ul style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The single largest group of internet pornography consumers is children aged 12-17 (Psychologies Magazine).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;1 in 3 10 year olds have seen pornography online (Psychologies Magazine 2010)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;81% aged 14-16 regularly access explicit photographs and footage on their home computers. (Psychologies Magazine 2010)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;        &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Harmful impact of pornography on children and young people&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dr Linda Papadopolous, "The evidence gathered in the review suggests a  clear link between consumption of sexualized images, a tendency to view  women as objects and the acceptance of aggressive attitudes and  behaviour as the norm." (Home Office report into the sexualisation of  children 2010).&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;John Carr, Children's Charities Coalition on Internet Safety, "In  recent years there has been a very dramatic increase in child  pornography images made by children and then distributed online or via  phones.We have an exhibitionist, celebrity-dominated culture and it's  seen as normal and cool to be a porn star." (Stella magazine)&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Author Mark Kastlemann said, "Giving porn to a teenage boy is like  giving crack to a baby.   Addiction is almost guaranteed.  No wonder  boys aged 12-17 are the porn industry's core target."   (came in a  presentation given by Richard Bach to an  Anglican Mainstream Conference  last year)&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Overall, the body of research on pornography reveals.It functions as  a teacher, permission-giver, and a trigger of.negative behaviours and  attitudes.  The damage is seen in men, women  and children, and to both  married and single adults.pathological behaviours, illegal behaviours  and some behaviours that are both illegal and pathological." Mary Anne  Layden, Director of Sexual Trauma and Psychological Program, University  of Pennsylvania 2010&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;'Studies cite alarming links between early exposure to pornography  and juvenile sex offenders; one study of 30 young sex offenders showed  that 29 had been watching X-rated porn from age of 7'  (Sunday Telegraph  Stella Magazine, 27 November 2011&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Facts about the pornography industry and Internet service providers&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;ul style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The pornography industry was worth $96bn (£61bn) in 2006  (reference - ‘Pornland’). In the UK alone, it is estimated to be worth  £1bn (Adult Industry Trade Association - 2005)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;One of the aims of the porn trade summit, XBIZ EU (2), held in  London in September 2011 was ‘to monetize the expanding audience of  mobile users.’&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The top six UK Internet Service Providers(all UK based) account  for over 90% of market share[5]. Yet :  only one of them, TalkTalk is  willing to block pornographic content at network level, although the  default setting is still on, despite the technology being avaialble to  do so.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;         &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The problem with mobile phones&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;ul style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;61% of children aged 7 -16 have a mobile phone that can access  the internet, rising to 77% among 11-16s   (ChildWise Monitor 2012).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Nearly 9 out of 10  children had no security settings on their  phones and only 46% of parents were aware that they were even necessary  (YouGov Carphone Warehouse Jan 12 ).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sexting - 40% of 11 - 14 yr olds have used their mobile phones  or computer to send pictures of themselves or receive naked or topless  images of friends (SW Grid for Learning Mar 11)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;      &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pornography has detrimental impact on relationships and the family&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;ul style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;li&gt; Counsellors working for Relate report that use of internet porn  is a cause of tension and conflict for as many as 40% of their clients  who come to them seeking help with sexual problems.[1]   Referrals to  the Portman Clinic for the problematic use of pornography have increased  from 9% in 2001-2 to 16% in 2007-8.[2]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;General public agree pornography  is harmful to society&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A YouGov poll in February 2011 found that 93% of Women and 73%  Men (83% average total) felt that the ease with which pornographic  content can be viewed on the internet is damaging to children.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;      &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;ol&gt;&lt;li style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sign the petition&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Contact your local MP&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Tell your family and friends&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Pray"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;a href="http://safetynet.org.uk/index.php"&gt;Go here for more information and to sign the petition!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Premier-Campaigns/162157427176257"&gt;Also, join the Facebook group here!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7931765138246879025?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7931765138246879025/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/uk-petition-protect-our-childrens.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7931765138246879025'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7931765138246879025'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/uk-petition-protect-our-childrens.html' title='UK Petition: Protect our Children&apos;s Innocence Online'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ljqY7iWpPk0/TzVBlx519jI/AAAAAAAAAJg/0aYQZrtz-q0/s72-c/innocence.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-8719760040886671228</id><published>2012-02-09T07:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-09T07:54:04.251-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Education'/><title type='text'>"Proselytizing for Darwin's God in the Classroom" (from 2008): John G. 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West'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/vEajEwzYwHg/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6604157830918581117</id><published>2012-02-08T13:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-08T14:10:16.172-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bart Ehrman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Who Wrote the Gospels? 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Timothy McGrew'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/gldvim1yjYM/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-8120902568593556591</id><published>2012-02-08T09:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-08T09:58:50.589-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Genesis and Creation'/><title type='text'>Did They Really Exist? A Biblical and Scientific Defence of Adam and Eve</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C4kaPQnkyLA/TzKQHn6gAFI/AAAAAAAAAIw/FrlpIXGGiAI/s1600/adameve.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 293px; height: 430px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C4kaPQnkyLA/TzKQHn6gAFI/AAAAAAAAAIw/FrlpIXGGiAI/s320/adameve.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5706782138479673426" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The  historicity of Adam and Eve is a question which strikes at the heart of  the Christian faith. If the primordial pair did not exist, then the  historical and Biblical doctrine of the fall becomes extremely difficult  to maintain. The apostle Paul clearly linked God's redemptive plan and  Christ's atonement for sin with the fall described in Genesis (e.g. see  Romans 5:12-21). We read in Romans 5:12-14,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28060"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  Therefore, just as sin  entered the world through one man, and death  through sin, and in this  way death came to all people, because all  sinned— &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28061"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is   not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28062"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of  Moses,  even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did  Adam, who  is a pattern of the one to come. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In 1 Corinthians 15:20-22, we similarly read,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28739"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt; But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28740"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt; For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28741"&gt;22&lt;/sup&gt; For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Further  evidence that Paul took Adam as a literal historical figure can be  found in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 where he appeals to this doctrine in order to  make an argument concerning the role of women in the church with  respect to men. Paul writes,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29728"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29729"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt; I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29730"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; For Adam was formed first, then Eve. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29731"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt; And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Indeed,  Jesus Himself clearly understood Adam and Eve to have been historical  figures. In response to questioning from the Pharisees about marriage  and divorce, Jesus declared (Matthew 19:4-6),&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23767"&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; “Haven’t you read,”&lt;/span&gt; he replied, &lt;span class="woj"&gt;“that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23768"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;  and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and  be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23769"&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As  if that wasn't enough, the genealogies recorded in 1 Chronicles 1 and  Luke 3 treat Adam as an historical figure. The literature associated  with second temple Judaism also recognised Adam as an historical  individual. The context and genre of the book of Genesis does not give  any indication whatsoever that it is intended to be non-literal or  ahistorical in the sense that much of apocalyptic literature (e.g. the  book of Revelation) is. If we read the book of Genesis as metaphorical,  at which point do we stop? The life of Abraham (to whom we are first  introduced in Genesis 12) is clearly connected to the history that came  before him, going all the way back to Adam. Those who discard Genesis  1-11 as metaphorical but understand Genesis 12 onwards to be historical  are being inconsistent. The narrative simply does not allow for this  interpretation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Christians may have disagreements about peripheral matters such as the age of the earth. As I have &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-i-reject-young-earth-view-biblical.html"&gt;discussed before&lt;/a&gt;,  I don't think that Genesis commits one to accepting a young earth  position. However, the historical existence of Adam and Eve is another  matter -- it is a Gospel issue. Without an historical Adam and Eve, and  without an historical fall, the doctrine of the atonement and redemption  makes very little sense.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Having presented some Biblical reasons  for thinking that Adam and Eve were literal historical individuals, I  want to turn my attention to some of the common scientific arguments  which are advanced against the notion of an historical Adam and Eve.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Minimum Effective Population Size&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It  is argued by many that coalescence theory and analysis of single  nucleotide polymorphisms/linkage disequilibrium (SNP/LD) show that the  mean effective population size for the hominid lineage is 100,000  individuals over the course of the last 30 million years. According to  some theories, a genetic bottleneck occurred in the hominid lineage  during the Middle Pleistocene with, according to one recent study, a  mean effective population size of only 14,000 individuals. A range of  values for the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) is given as  "450,000-2,400,000 years for the autosomes, and 380,000-2,000,000 for  the X chromosome," (&lt;a href="http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/2/889.full"&gt;Blum and Jakobsson, 2011&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The  trouble with such attempts to estimate the effective population size  and times of most recent common ancestors is the number of simplifying  assumptions which are involved in the calculation. These include:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Fixed population size.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;No migration.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Random mating.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Non-overlapping generations.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Constant mutation rates.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;No selection.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;The  problem is that human populations change in size, migration in and out  of the population does occur, humans selectively mate, mutation rates  are often not constant and selection does occur. Indeed, rates of  recombination are also known to differ with respect to location on the  chromosome. Attempts at estimating effective population sizes and  coalescent times, therefore, are rendered difficult by their high  dependency on the assumptions made and the constancy of the pertinent  variables. This makes it extremely hard to make dogmatic claims in this  regard.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Let's take an example to illustrate this point. One research paper  examined 377 short tandem repeat (STR) loci pertinent to 1,056  individuals from 52 different populations (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180270/"&gt;Zhivotovsky &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;et al&lt;/span&gt;., 2003&lt;/a&gt;).  The study inferred that modern humanity arose from a common ancestral  population living between 71 and 142 thousand years ago from a  relatively small population size (less than 2000 individuals). A  previous study estimated this ancestral population size to be comprised  roughly of 500 individuals (&lt;a href="http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/5/757.abstract"&gt;Zhivotovsky &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;et al&lt;/span&gt;., 2000&lt;/a&gt;).  This non-congruity was apparently resultant from use of varying number  of loci by the two studies as well as use of different sample sizes.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Y-Chromosomal Adam Paradox&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;It is widely known that molecular dating based on the male-specific  Y-chromosomal DNA tends to give somewhat more recent dates for the most  recent common ancestosr of modern humans than does molecular dating  based on the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA. This has been  argued by some to show that Adam and Eve lived tends of thousands of  years apart from one another. Though there are obviously alternative  explanations for this phenomenon, one interesting hypothesis relates to  the genetic bottleneck pertinent to the great flood described in Genesis. In that case, the most recent male common ancestor would be Noah (Noah's three sons Shem, Ham and  Japheth boarded the ark along with their respective wives). The most  recent female common ancestor, however, would be Eve. This would quite  readily account for the discrepancy between the data yielded from the  Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA sequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Where Did Cain Get His Wife?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The  first thing to take notice of is that Adam and Eve had other sons and  daughters besides Cain, Abel and Seth. According to Genesis 5:4,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters." &lt;/span&gt;It  is also noteworthy that Genesis 5 records very long life spans, with  people living up to an age of 900 years. Given this, Dr. Hugh Ross &lt;a href="http://www.reasons.org/finding-wife-cain-0"&gt;argues&lt;/a&gt;  that "the possibility existed for a  veritable population explosion. In  fact,  the world's population could have  approached a few billion by the time  of Adam's death at the age of 930." There is some Biblical support for  thinking that there was a reasonable population size following Cain's  murder of Abel. According to Genesis 4, Cain is given a mark "so that no  one who found him would kill him." This presupposes that there was a  population size sufficient such that (a) there were people who might  find Cain in the wilderness; and (b) Cain might be mistaken for someone  else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The possibility that Cain may have married his sister raises the old  question of incest. It is not until the book of Leviticus, however, that  laws are given against marriage between siblings. Adam and Eve were  probably created genetically pure. It is, therefore, likely that the  genetic defects resulting from marriage between siblings would not  present an issue for the first couple of dozen generations.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Summary and Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In conclusion, attempts to estimate coalescent times and effective  population sizes are fraught with problems, and require that we make a  number of unrealistic assumptions. Perhaps it is possible that some of  these estimates pertain to the human population sometime after the  creation of Adam and Eve. The question of Cain's wife is effectively  resolved if we suppose that genetic defects resulting from marriage  between siblings was a later development. The existence of an historical  Adam and Eve, however, is foundational to a full and proper  understanding of the Gospel and Christ's role as the "second Adam". 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The organisation released their own version of the scriptures that was finished in 1961 which came to be known as the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT is best known for its rendering of John 1:1 but for those that have dug a little deeper or engaged in discussion with any JW's you may be aware of their controversial rendering of Colossians chapter 1, verses 15-17. It reads as the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16  because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17  Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now as you read through this portion of scripture you will notice that contained within brackets is the word &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt;, this is probably the clearest example of how we can see how their translation has been corrupted and changed intentially to support their theological assumptions. What this shows us is that they have clearly translated and added to scripture to support their doctrines which have no space for Jesus being the fathers ontological (Equality in nature, essence and attributes.) equal as part of the trinity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now what was said to me was that if Jesus is the firstborn of all creation then doesn't that show that he was created. Well as I shall go on to explain before we even get into what firstborn actually meant in the ancient world I'd like to focus quickly on why the JW's have put &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; into the text. This is simply because even if we understand to mean literally firstborn in creation the rest of the text of Colossians completely contradicts that as a conclusion hence the need for additions in their text. I'll even be nice and use their own translation without the additions to prove my point. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1:16 (NWT)&lt;i&gt; &lt;b&gt;because by means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What it shows us is that Jesus was responsible for creating the universe, both the things that are seen and that which isn't. To suggest that him whom created everything was himself created would lead to the illogical conclusion that he created himself. This is why the translators of the NWT feel obligated to add the word &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; in brackets and therefore showing us that it has no textual basis for its insertion, rather it serves only theological motivations. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1:17 (NWT) &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Also, he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exist...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Jesus was before all things and he made all things to exist, it is pretty clear what is being said here and again shows how theological assumptions have played a major part in the rendering of the above text. The thinking here is clear from both verse 16 and 17 especially in Jewish thought and could be framed as the following argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;a) Only God creates from nothing and sustains the universe&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;b) Jesus creates from nothing and sustains the universe&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;c) Therefore Jesus is God&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly the divine attributes of Jesus are obvious for us to see and are typical of how much of the New Testament approaches the deity of Jesus. So we can see why the additions have been added by the NWT translators, without the additions regardless of what is meant by the word firstborn it is obvious that what is being conveyed by the author about Jesus is quite different from the JW's Unitarian beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As we have seen the word '&lt;i&gt;firstborn&lt;/i&gt;' can't really mean what they want it to, they fail to take into account that the context of a Greek word can have variations on its meaning. The word firstborn in the Hebrew context that Jesus was living in meant that the firstborn son was in a position of pre-eminence (Position of superiority), it didn't necessarily mean the literal firstborn son. It shows us that Jesus is heir of all creation in the sense that what is the fathers is also the sons, this would have been clearly understood in the Ancient Near Eastern culture this was written in. This can be seen in an example below:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I will make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; (Psalm 89:27)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God is talking about David here and the pre-eminent position God was placing him in even though David was actually the last-born son to his father Jesse. Another example can be seen below:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;(Exodus 4:22)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can again see examples of the use of pre-eminence, but instead this time its in regards to the nation of Israel, which again demonstrates that the word firstborn depending on context has more to do with being the heir in a relationship. The context of the Colossians 1:15 passage suggests quite clearly that the JW's definition of the term firstborn is unnecessary and unwarranted as are the additions to scripture regarding the word other in brackets suggesting that Jesus is a created being.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5785545967515961810?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5785545967515961810/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-colossians-chapeter-one-mean-jesus.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5785545967515961810'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5785545967515961810'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-colossians-chapeter-one-mean-jesus.html' title='Does Colossians chapter one mean Jesus is a created being?'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ItzXrUBUjS4/TzKMPk95fUI/AAAAAAAAAR8/yzMF2Zf7oLI/s72-c/colossians_title-300x225.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-8523212567352068645</id><published>2012-02-07T13:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-07T15:42:14.272-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Events and Announcements'/><title type='text'>CALLING ALL PHILOSOPHERS IN EUROPE</title><content type='html'>Passed on from Paul Copan:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Dear fellow Christian philosophers and apologists,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you know any European evangelical philosophers? We need your immediate help in connecting them to the Philosophers Network in Europe---and to submit papers (by 1 March 2012) or, at the very least, just to attend the conference near Budapest, Hungary (19-24 May 2012). A number of philosophers from the Evangelical Philosophical Society are lending support to this endeavor: William Craig, Scott Smith, Douglas Groothuis, and Bruce Little. (I myself am looking forward to speaking at this forum the following May.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keep in mind these important points:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. This Network is European in its vision and content. It is being spearheaded by the European Leadership Forum, and it is not an American outpost.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. This year--indeed, this month--is crucial for forming this continent-wide Network. If nothing materializes this year, then this effort will be not be revisited for a good while. So we need your prompt assistance in getting the word out to your European evangelical friends/contacts who have a philosophy degree (masters or doctorate).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. In addition to the philosophy, this effort there will be an apologetics Network that is developed as well. What is crucial as that we have as many European evangelical philosophers and apologists as possible attending May 2012 meeting."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Additional details:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The European Leadership Forum is pleased to announce the debut of the European Christian Philosophers Network at the 2012 Forum in Eger, Hungary (19-24 May).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This Network will aim to support and encourage European Christian philosophers as they seek to incorporate their faith into their research projects, teaching, and mentoring. Because of this, the primary focus of the Network at the Forum will be the examination of philosophy from a specifically Christian perspective. Speakers who will be featured in the 2012 Network are William Lane Craig, Doug Groothuis, Bruce Little, Mike Ovey, Jerry Root, Mats Selander, R. Scott Smith, and Ralph Henk Vaggs. The full Network programme, including more about each speaker, is available online at www.euroleadership.org/philosophers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to the fellowship and learning opportunities the Philosophers Network will provide, the Forum is pleased to offer the following to Network participants:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) SCHOLARSHIPS&lt;br /&gt;Scholarships are available to Network participants and will be awarded according to need. Scholarship recipients will pay a maximum of 50 Euros in conference fees and cover their own travel costs. To apply for a scholarship, please send an email with the subject heading, “Philosophers Network Scholarship,” to Kevin Saylor at ksaylor@euroleadership.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) CALL FOR PAPERS:&lt;br /&gt;The 2012 Network will feature a twenty-minute time slot each day for one of four selected participants to present a philosophy paper. The four individuals chosen to present each will receive a scholarship covering their full conference fees (excluding travel expenses). Any interested participant should be a PhD student in philosophy and submit one paper limited to 2,000 words for a 15- minute presentation. The reading of each paper will be followed by evaluation and discussion by Network speakers and participants. Papers selected will exemplify the highest standards of philosophy written from a historic Protestant point of view. All papers should be submitted to Kevin Saylor at ksaylor@euroleadership.org by 1 March 2012.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you wish to see for yourself how God is raising up leaders in Europe to fight for truth in a secular age, then please consider applying to attend the Philosophers Network at the 2012 European Leadership Forum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;· To learn more about the European Leadership Forum in general, visit www.euroleadership.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;· To register for the Forum and the Philosophers Network, visit www.euroleadership.org/register&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;· For any additional questions, please email ksaylor@euroleadership.org&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-8523212567352068645?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/8523212567352068645/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/calling-all-philosophers-in-europe.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/8523212567352068645'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/8523212567352068645'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/calling-all-philosophers-in-europe.html' title='CALLING ALL PHILOSOPHERS IN EUROPE'/><author><name>Calum Miller</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09612773672997474524</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-114963401581349119</id><published>2012-02-07T02:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-07T02:06:51.543-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Philosophy'/><title type='text'>Front-Loading &amp; Theistic Evolution: Stephen C. 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Meyer'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/aiNgGQQkhJw/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-12439712797826384</id><published>2012-02-06T13:47:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-06T13:48:32.108-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>Whale Evolution vs. Population Genetics: Richard Sternberg</title><content type='html'>&lt;embed flashvars="playerVars=autoPlay=no" src="http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/4165203/whale_evolution_vs_population_genetics_richard_sternberg_phd_in_evolutionary_biology.swf" wmode="transparent" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" name="Metacafe_4165203" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;div style="font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4165203/whale_evolution_vs_population_genetics_richard_sternberg_phd_in_evolutionary_biology/"&gt;Whale Evolution Vs. Population Genetics - Richard Sternberg PhD. in Evolutionary Biology&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href="http://www.metacafe.com/"&gt;More bloopers are a click away&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-12439712797826384?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/12439712797826384/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/whale-evolution-vs-population-genetics.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/12439712797826384'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/12439712797826384'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/whale-evolution-vs-population-genetics.html' title='Whale Evolution vs. Population Genetics: Richard Sternberg'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-9005997426912056753</id><published>2012-02-06T02:27:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-06T02:51:05.567-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Deity of Jesus'/><title type='text'>Did Jesus Deny His Deity in His Conversation with the Rich Ruler?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-46nCAYixXcs/Ty-s2tLbBuI/AAAAAAAAAIk/lrXzTI2nJ3E/s1600/youngruler.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 265px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-46nCAYixXcs/Ty-s2tLbBuI/AAAAAAAAAIk/lrXzTI2nJ3E/s320/youngruler.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5705969308742125282" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In Luke 18:18-29 (and the parallel account in Mark 10:17-31), we read the narrative of the rich young ruler coming to Jesus and asking, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus responds by saying "Why do you call me good? No one is good -- except God alone."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus continues, "&lt;span class="woj"&gt;You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit  adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give  false testimony, honour your father and mother." The young man replies, &lt;/span&gt;“All these I have kept since I was a boy.” Jesus, however, knowing that he valued his wealth and riches more than God, instructs the man to sell all his possessions and give the money to the poor, and then to come and follow Jesus. At this, the man walks away greatly saddened because he has no interest in giving up his wealth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of those who seek to deny the deity of Christ (such as Muslims) will often appeal to this passage as an example of Jesus allegedly renouncing his deity. Is this the case, however? Was Jesus really denying that He is God in stating, "Why do you call me good? No one is good -- except God alone."The first important thing to notice is that Jesus Himself claims not only to be "good" but also to be perfect and completely without sin. Consider, for example, John 10:11 (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I am the good shepherd"&lt;/span&gt;) or John 8:46 (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?"&lt;/span&gt;). We are also told by Paul that Jesus was without sin, for example in 2 Corinthians 5:21 (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"God made him who had no sin to be sin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; for us, so that in him we might  become the righteousness of God"&lt;/span&gt;). Thus, this situation with the rich young ruler is actually an affirmation of Jesus' deity. The argument may be summarised in syllogistic form as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Premise 1&lt;/span&gt;: According to Jesus, God alone is good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Premise 2&lt;/span&gt;: According to Jesus, Jesus is good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;: Therefore, according to Jesus, Jesus is God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is going on in this incident with the rich young ruler? Jesus, I believe, is teasing out the implications of the young man's statement. It is a rhetorical question designed to make the man thing long and hard about Jesus' true identity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who use this example as a proof text for justifying their denial of the deity of Jesus need to allow &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of Scripture speak, and read the passages they quote in the context within which they appear. 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Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/7jgzESBjhx8/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-4570393644271249594</id><published>2012-02-05T09:25:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-05T12:31:26.349-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><title type='text'>Did Muhammad Properly Understand the Trinity?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Ie5YlJjwuE/Ty7HqRmdpKI/AAAAAAAAAIY/KimhhF0N5n4/s1600/Qur%2527an.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 361px; height: 234px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Ie5YlJjwuE/Ty7HqRmdpKI/AAAAAAAAAIY/KimhhF0N5n4/s320/Qur%2527an.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5705717307018159266" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In a &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/trinity-defended.html"&gt;recent post&lt;/a&gt;, I explained and defended the historical Christian concept of the Trinity. In this blog post, I want to consider the conception of the Trinity held by the writer of the Qur'an -- whom I presume to be Muhammad -- and examine whether this individual properly understood the view he so strongly repudiated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, let's briefly recap. What is the historic definition of the Trinity? In a nutshell, the doctrine states that within the one &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;being&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;essence&lt;/span&gt; that is God, there exists &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;three &lt;/span&gt;co-equal and co-eternal (yet distinct)  divine &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;persons&lt;/span&gt;  -- namely the Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- who share that essence  fully and completely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's turn our attention to the Qur'an to find out whether its author properly understood this doctrine which is central to the Christian faith. If he did not, then it may be concluded that the Qur'an's author was not (as Muslim's allege) the infallible Allah. Rather, it is demonstrably a work of fallible human authorship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The doctrine of the Trinity is relatively frequently repudiated in the Qur'an, either directly or indirectly. In what follows, I will list the main instances and examine whether they manifest clues in regard to Muhammad's understanding of what the Christian concept of the Trinity entails.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 2:116&lt;/span&gt; - "They say: 'God hath begotten a son': Glory be to Him, Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 6:101&lt;/span&gt; - "To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 19:35&lt;/span&gt; - "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be', and it is."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 19:88&lt;/span&gt; - "They say, '(God) Most Gracious Has begotten a son!'"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 37:151-152&lt;/span&gt; - Is it not that they say, from their own invention, 'God has begotten children'? But they are liars!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 39:4&lt;/span&gt; - Had God wished to take to Himself a son, He would have chosen whom he pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 16:51&lt;/span&gt; - "God has said: 'Take not (for worship) two gods: For He is just One God: Then fear Me (and Me alone)."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 9:30 &lt;/span&gt;- "Then Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Surah 23:91&lt;/span&gt; - "No son did God beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods),&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the examples given above, we can clearly see two things. Firstly, Muhammad misunderstood the relationship of the Son with respect to the Father. The Sonship of Christ is not like earthly human relationships. The Son never came into being. In fact, he is co-eternal with the Father. Moreover, the Son is not the offspring of the Father in the sense that the latter took to Himself a consort and physically impregnated her. No Christian has ever claimed this. Second, it appears that Muhammad misunderstood the Trinity as encompassing multiple gods. Again, however, this is not what the Christians now -- or of Muhammad's day -- believed. Rather, they believe that there is one divine essence and three distinct divine persons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I saved the best bit for last. Consider Surah 5:72-76:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. They surely disbelieve who say: &lt;b&gt;Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God.&lt;/b&gt; If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. &lt;b&gt;The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food.&lt;/b&gt; See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away! Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Serve ye in place of Allah (min dooni Allahi) that which possesseth for you neither hurt nor use? Allah it is Who is the Hearer, the Knower." [emphasis added]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are two interesting things to notice about this passage. Firstly, there is the statement that Christians claim that "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God&lt;/span&gt;." This is especially telling since -- as I stated previously -- Christians believe in one God and only one God! Christians believe that there is one God but that He is complex in His unity: That is, within the one divine essence there exists three co-equal divine persons. This is not the same as claiming that there are three gods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second curious thing about this passage is its statement that &lt;i&gt;"The Messiah, son of Mary, was no  other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away  before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to  eat (earthly) food."&lt;/i&gt; Why would the Qur'an state that Jesus and Mary "both used to eat earthly food"? Could it be that Muhammad believed that the Christians were proclaiming Mary to be part of the Trinity and thus elevating her to the status of deity?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are given an important clue in this regard when we turn to Surah 5:119, in which we read,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"And behold! God will say: 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, thou I know not what is in Thine. For thou knowest in full all that is hidden."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;From this, we can deduce that Muhammad not only misunderstood what Christians meant by the Trinity, but He believed Mary to be a part of it! By the time the Qur'an was written, the Triune concept of God as understood by the Christians was well known. If the Qur'an really is the inspired word of God, why was it unable to correctly represent this view?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-4570393644271249594?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4570393644271249594/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/did-muhammad-properly-understand.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4570393644271249594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4570393644271249594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/did-muhammad-properly-understand.html' title='Did Muhammad Properly Understand the Trinity?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Ie5YlJjwuE/Ty7HqRmdpKI/AAAAAAAAAIY/KimhhF0N5n4/s72-c/Qur%2527an.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-2302969918376768217</id><published>2012-02-05T06:51:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-05T06:53:00.379-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sunday Quote'/><title type='text'>A Sunday Quote</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"It’s insufficient for youth groups and Sunday school classes to focus on entertainment and simpering devotional thoughts. We’ve got to train our kids for war. We dare not send them out to public high school and university armed with rubber swords and plastic armor. The time for playing games is past."&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;William Lane Craig&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-2302969918376768217?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2302969918376768217/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/2302969918376768217'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/2302969918376768217'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/sunday-quote.html' title='A Sunday Quote'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-8194705560131706194</id><published>2012-02-04T13:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-04T13:36:13.314-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Gospel'/><title type='text'>Come to Christ; He is Mighty to Save! 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Paul Washer'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/yLHlgJ-O72s/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7348196765237708884</id><published>2012-02-04T12:33:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-04T12:36:05.053-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Theology'/><title type='text'>The Potter's Freedom: Reflections on the Sovereignty of God</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fL5RRWyNcaM/Ty1W51mS62I/AAAAAAAAAIM/-V85tfEbqj4/s1600/potter.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 363px; height: 272px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fL5RRWyNcaM/Ty1W51mS62I/AAAAAAAAAIM/-V85tfEbqj4/s320/potter.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5705311854588521314" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The  question of the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's  responsibility on matters concerning salvation is a conundrum that has  perplexed theologians and Bible scholars for centuries. On one extreme  reside the hyper Calvinists who see God's sovereignty as entailing no  necessitude for evangelism. On the polar extreme reside the open theists  who maintain that God's foreknowledge -- as well as his  predetermination of future events -- is limited. It is my position that  both of those extremes are at odds with Scripture and historic  Christianity. In this blog post, I want to consider the issues of divine  sovereignty, free will, election, predestination, the nature and extent  of the atonement, and man's responsibility in salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will  begin by presenting an outline and defense of my own perspective on the  matter, and will subsequently discuss some common objections to this  view.&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;A Reformed Understanding of the Sovereignty of God&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I  take a reformed/Calvinist position on the sovereignty of God in  salvation. On this view, Christ did not die merely to make salvation &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;possible.&lt;/span&gt; Rather, he came to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;obtain eternal redemption&lt;/span&gt; (Hebrews 9:12). According to Luke 19:10, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"the Son of Man came to seek and save the lost."&lt;/span&gt; This is similar to Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 1:15: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Here  is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus   came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst."&lt;/span&gt; What  is important to note here is that Christ's mission in coming into the  world was not merely to make salvation available for sinners to attain.  Rather, Christ actually &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;completed his mission&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine  yourself standing on the Day of Judgement before God. What separates  you, the believer, from your non-believing neighbour? Is it that you  were more spiritually sensitive? Is it that you had a greater  intellectual capacity to follow logical and evidence-based arguments?  Was it that you were raised in a Christian home and attended Sunday  School each week? Notice that in each of these cases, the difference is  something inherent in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;you.&lt;/span&gt;  This, however, is contrary to the teaching of Scripture that men are  radically depraved and are in need of God's grace. Romans 3:19 declares  that every mouth will be silenced before God in light of His righteous  law. None of us have kept it and we are all equally deserving of God's  judgement. The difference, then, between you, the believer, and your  non-believing neighbour, both standing before God, cannot be something  inherent in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;you&lt;/span&gt;, but as a result of God's salvific grace -- so that none of us can boast in ourselves. As we read in Ephesians 2:8-9, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"For  it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from  yourselves, it is the gift of God—  not by works, so that no one can  boast." &lt;/span&gt;Grace, by definition, is not fair -- it is totally  undeserved. Moreover, a governor who graciously decides to release a  prisoner on death row is under no obligation whatsoever to free everyone  on death row.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture -- in particular the book of Hebrews --  makes a clear connection between the atonement and Christ's advocacy on  our behalf before the father (e.g. see 1 John 2:1-2). Christ's  intercession before the father is on behalf of everyone for whom He  died. It is dubious theology to suppose that Christ would die for  individuals who &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;would not&lt;/span&gt;  attain salvation. And Christ's mediation before the father cannot be on  behalf of those for whom he did not shed his blood on the cross for  there would be no grounds on which to seek the Father's mercy.  Furthermore, no-one for whom Christ intercedes can be lost. To say  otherwise implies that there is dissension within the Godhead -- with  the Father continually rejecting the pleas of the Son for the salvation  of certain people. Such a notion is, however, utterly unbiblical.  Indeed, in Christ's famous high priestly prayer recounted in John 17,  Jesus declares in verse 9, &lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Indeed, in Romans 8:32-34, we read,&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28149"&gt;32&lt;/sup&gt;  He who did not spare  his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will  he not also, along with  him, graciously give us all things? &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28150"&gt;33&lt;/sup&gt; Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28151"&gt;34&lt;/sup&gt;   Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more   than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is   also interceding for us.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Who  does this passage when it uses  the pronoun "our?" The passage tells us  -- it is "those whom God has chosen." Again, the intercessory work of  Christ is presented as between the Father and God's elect. Moreover, as  the passage explains, if Christ is your intercessor, who can possibly  bring a charge against you? If Christ's intercessory work is on behalf  of all men, then why aren't all men saved? Has Christ's intercessory  work failed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus also says in John 6:37 that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt; In verse 44 of the same chapter, we read, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."&lt;/span&gt;  This implies that not only can no one come who is not drawn, but all  those who are drawn are raised up at the last day. The first of those  contentions is supported by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Romans 8:7-8:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28124"&gt;"7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28125"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The latter is supported by the golden chain of redemption in Romans 8:29-30:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28146"&gt;29&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  For those God foreknew  he also predestined to be conformed to the  image of his Son, that he  might be the firstborn among many brothers  and sisters. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28147"&gt;30&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;In other words, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of those who are foreknown by God are predestined; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of those who are predestined are also called; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of those who are called are also justified; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; of those who are justified are also glorified.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A similar passage is found in Ephesians 1:11-14, in which we read,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29218"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; In him we were also chosen,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29219"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29220"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of   truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked   in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29221"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of   those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;We are given further indication as to the scope of Christ's atonement in Matthew 20:28: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"J&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;ust as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”&lt;/span&gt; The "many" for whom Christ gave his life as a ransom parallels the words of Isaiah 53:11:&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities." &lt;/span&gt;Jesus states that He is specifically laying down His life for His people in John 10. In verses 11 and 15 we read, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I  am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the  sheep....just as the Father knows me and I know the Father---and I lay  down my life for the sheep.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt; Not all men are of Jesus' sheep, as we learn in John 10:26: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;But you do not believe because you are not my sheep.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;A similar verse is John 15:13: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."&lt;/span&gt; It is clear that not all of humanity are Jesus' "friends". Likewise, Matthew 1:21 states, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."&lt;/span&gt; Notice both that Christ will &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;save&lt;/span&gt;  his people from their sins (not simply make salvation available) and  the particularity of the people for whom this salvation will be  effective (namely, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;his people&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul writes in Galatians 2:20 that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I  have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives  in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God,  who loved me and gave himself for me."&lt;/span&gt; This is the common  confession of every believer. Every member of God's elect was crucified  with Christ. Conversely, those who are in Hell -- eternally separated  from the favourable presence of God -- cannot claim to have been  "crucified with Christ."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One final verse I shall mention in this section is Acts 13:48's statement that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"all who were appointed for eternal life believed."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;The Calvinist position, which I have articulated above, can be summarised using the following acronym:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;otal Depravity&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;U&lt;/span&gt;nconditional Election&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;L&lt;/span&gt;imited Atonement&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I&lt;/span&gt;rresistable Grace&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;erseverence of the Saints&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Then How Can God Blame Us? For Who Resists His Will?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One  of the most frequent objections I receive to the viewpoint articulated  above concerns man's responsibility in salvation. "How can God blame us,  f&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span&gt;or who resists his will?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span&gt;,  the critics ask. In response to this objection, the best Scripture to  turn to is Romans 9, in which the apostle Paul takes this question head  on. Let's take a look at verses 14-24:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28170"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28171"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; For he says to Moses, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,&lt;br /&gt;and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28172"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt; It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28173"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;   For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose,   that I might display my power in you and that my name might be   proclaimed in all the earth.” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28174"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28175"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt; One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28176"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt;   But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is   formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28177"&gt;21&lt;/sup&gt;   Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of  clay  some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28178"&gt;22&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power   known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for   destruction? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28179"&gt;23&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28180"&gt;24&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This  is without question one of the most humbling passages in Scripture. It  tells us that God is absolutely sovereign over our salvation. He is the  potter; we are the clay. God chooses who will be unconditionally saved  (grace) and who will face condemnation (justice). Either way God's name  is glorified.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This passage is also the clearest  description in Scripture regarding God's sovereignty in matters of  salvation. Arminians typically object to citation of this passage by  claiming that the passage is describing God's election of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;nations&lt;/span&gt;,  rather than individuals, for salvation. They usually justify this  interpretation by pointing out that Paul's citations in Romans 9:12 of  Genesis 25:23 and Malachi 1:2-3 in verse 13 are both with reference to  nations. When Paul writes "Jacob I loved, Esau I hated," he is speaking  of the nations typified by those two persons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem with this interpretation is that Romans 9 &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;does&lt;/span&gt;  apply to individuals. While it is true that Paul quotes from passages  that originally referred to nations, Paul's intended application in  Romans 9 is not limited to nations. In fact, he proceeds to consistently  make the application to individuals. The Arminian interpretation fails  to make sense of Paul's utilisation of two singular present active  participles ("desire" and "effort") in verse 16. The desire and effort  is on the part of an individual. Pharaoh likewise is a singular  individual. The objector of verse 20 is also singular, as is the lump of  clay of verse 21. The passage makes use of the plural in verse 22 ("the  objects of his wrath" but, again, this does not refer to nations.&lt;span class="itembody"&gt; The most common Arminian interpretation of this passage seems to collapse for these reasons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Arminian Proof Texts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the common texts that Arminians turn to is 1 John 2:2, in which we read, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."&lt;/span&gt;  However, when one reads the parallel passage in John 11:51-52, one  learns that John intends "the whole world" to be taken in the same sense  as given in Revelation 5:9-11. In other words, Christ's death atones  people "from every tribe and language and people and nation."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another common one is Revelation 3:20: &lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Here  I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone  hears my voice and  opens the door, I will come in and eat with that  person, and they with  me."&lt;/span&gt; A glance at the context, however, reveals that it is the  door of the church that is in mind -- not the door of the unbeliever's  heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A further frequently cited verse is Matthew 23:37: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;“Jerusalem,  Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and  stone those sent to you, how  often I have longed to gather your children  together, as a hen gathers  her chicks under her wings, and you were not  willing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;  Curiously, in my experience, this is one of the most misquoted verses  in the Bible. Typically, when quoting this verse off the top of their  head, people will replace "your children" with "you". This subtly  changes the meaning of the verse. The verse clearly distinguishes  between "you" and "your children." This makes sense when one looks at  the wider context of Matthew 23. For example, in verse 13, we read, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="woj"&gt;“Woe  to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you  hypocrites! You shut  the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s  faces. You yourselves do  not enter, nor will you let those enter who are  trying to.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;  This chapter, then, is a polemic against the Jewish religious leaders,  who are attempting to thwart the purposes of God by preventing those who  are trying to enter the kingdom of God from doing so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another passage to which Arminians appeal is 2 Peter 3:8-9:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30531"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  But do not forget this  one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is  like a thousand years,  and a thousand years are like a day. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30532"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand   slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish,   but everyone to come to repentance.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Verse  9, of course, appears within the context of God's  patience/longsuffering. Peter's letter is also addressed specifically to  Christians. It thus follows that the "you" of verse 9 refers to  believers. I would understand the "anyone" and "everyone" which follows  to be referring specifically to God's elect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;What About Evangelism?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Some  object to the Calvinist position by claiming that it undermines  evangelism. After all, what is the point of sharing the Gospel if God  has it all worked out already? It must be granted that the Calvinist  point of view entails a different focus in evangelism than does the  Arminian view. God has invited us to have the tremendous honour of being  a part of His salvation plan in proclaiming the Gospel to the nations.  This honour is something we all often take for granted. But God did not  need to use us -- He could have used angels to accomplish His will.  Instead, he chose to use us. I, for one, am certainly thankful that  God's work is not dependent or contingent on my debating skills, or on  any ability on my part for articulating the Gospel. It also means that I  have nothing to boast about when I lead people to Christ. Salvation --  and indeed the sanctification which follows -- is a supernatural work of  the Holy Spirit, and a glorious act of God's mercy and grace. As a  reformed Christian, I do evangelism as a service to God's kingdom and to  bring glory and honour to His name.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7348196765237708884?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7348196765237708884/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/potters-freedom-reflections-on_04.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7348196765237708884'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7348196765237708884'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/potters-freedom-reflections-on_04.html' title='The Potter&apos;s Freedom: Reflections on the Sovereignty of God'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fL5RRWyNcaM/Ty1W51mS62I/AAAAAAAAAIM/-V85tfEbqj4/s72-c/potter.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6354660770422710013</id><published>2012-02-04T10:01:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-13T02:31:50.052-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apologetics UK Talks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='What is Apologetics'/><title type='text'>'Apologetics Anonymous' - Why is apologetics necessary in the UK</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_RZOGH5zTCE/Ty1wGaGu2cI/AAAAAAAAAR0/p5qzG7ayRsU/s1600/St.+Paul+in+Athens.bmp" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="248" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_RZOGH5zTCE/Ty1wGaGu2cI/AAAAAAAAAR0/p5qzG7ayRsU/s320/St.+Paul+in+Athens.bmp" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;This was recorded last week at &lt;a href="http://www.centrepointchurch.org.uk/default.php"&gt;Centrepoint Church&lt;/a&gt;, Guildford and is a basic introduction into what apologetics is and why its important here in the UK and how we can get equipped for mission. To listen just click &lt;a href="http://www.centrepointchurch.org.uk/sermons/20120129_Daniel_Rodger_Apologetics.mp3"&gt;&lt;b&gt;here&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;'To be ignorant and simple now - not to be able to meet the enemies on their own ground - would be to throw down our weapons, and betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered.'&lt;/i&gt; -&amp;nbsp;  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;C. S. 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Anonymous&apos; - Why is apologetics necessary in the UK'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_RZOGH5zTCE/Ty1wGaGu2cI/AAAAAAAAAR0/p5qzG7ayRsU/s72-c/St.+Paul+in+Athens.bmp' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-5455544946026656217</id><published>2012-02-03T00:14:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-03T00:15:53.017-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>Metamorphosis: The Beauty and Design of Butterflies</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AZk6nZGH9Xo" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5455544946026656217?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5455544946026656217/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/metamorphosis-beauty-and-design-of.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5455544946026656217'/><link rel='self' 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7546189313381157744</id><published>2012-02-02T06:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-18T13:40:46.861-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophecy and Typology'/><title type='text'>Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant Poem (Written ~700 B.C.)</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rBtU-g1sbSo" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a defence of the Messianic nature of this prophecy, please see my previous article &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-isaiah-53-speak-about-jesus.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7546189313381157744?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7546189313381157744/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/isaiah-53-suffering-servant-poem.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7546189313381157744'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7546189313381157744'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/isaiah-53-suffering-servant-poem.html' title='Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant Poem (Written ~700 B.C.)'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/rBtU-g1sbSo/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-3508424500866007576</id><published>2012-02-02T01:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-02T01:42:23.312-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>Does the Chromosome 2 Fusion Evidence Prove Our Shared Ancestry With Chimpanzees?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Those of you who follow discussions surrounding evolution and intelligent design will doubtless have heard of the argument for human-chimp shared ancestry based on evidence for a fusion event with respect to chromosome 2. This argument is put forward quite famously by Brown University biologist Ken Miller in this video:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zi8FfMBYCkk" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Briefly, the chromosomal fusion argument for human-chimp common  descent begins with the observation that humans possess 23 pairs of  chromosomes, whereas apes possess 24 pairs, thus allowing one to predict  that -- evolution being true -- a chromosomal fusion must have taken  place at some point in our lineage. And, indeed, this is what we  observe. Chromosome 2 possesses two centromeres. It also possesses a  section where there are two telomeres in the middle of the chromosome,  which are oriented in such a way so as to suggest that the ends of the  two chromosomes were fused together. Every telomere in human and  great-ape chromosomes has the six base-pair sequence TTAGGG repeated  over and over approximately fifty to one hundred times in tandem. Such  telomeric repetitive units, when they are found not in the telomeres at  the end of the chromosome, but rather in the middle of the chromosome  (perhaps near the centromere), are referred to in the literature as  "interstitial telomeric sequences" (or ITS's). At the supposed fusion  site in chromosome 2, the sequence in the upper strand abruptly changes  from TTAGGG repeats to CCCTAA repeats (the complementary sequence of the  inversion). This is taken to indicate that the DNA in a telomere of one  chromosome and the DNA in a telomere of the other chromosome broke and  subsequently the two chromosomes fused at the broken ends. This site is  referred to in the literature as 2q13 ("2" referring to the chromosome  number, "q" referring to the long arm, and "13" referring to the  position on the arm).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Furthermore, chromosomal centromeres possess a characteristic DNA  called alpha satellite sequences. Secondary alpha satellite DNA (over  and above that which is associated with the active centromere), which  has been found in the case of chromosome 2 (see &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1587535"&gt;Avarello &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt; 1992&lt;/a&gt;), is taken as further evidence for this fusion event.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But just how sound is this argument?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;For one thing, there are, in fact, plausible alternative explanations  for this observation. For example, envision a scenario where our genus &lt;em&gt;Homo&lt;/em&gt;,  originally possessing 48 chromosomes, underwent a chromosomal fusion  event within its own independent lineage. Sure, the banding patterns of  chromosome 2 are similar to two of the autosomes in the chimpanzee  lineage. But then we are only coming back to the argument from  similarity, which supports common descent no  more than it suggests common design.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Secondly, some of the arguments for supposing that chromosome 2 did  indeed arise from a fusion event have been significantly weakened in  recent years. One very interesting &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19420924?dopt=Abstract"&gt;peer-reviewed paper&lt;/a&gt;, appearing in the journal &lt;em&gt;Cytogenetic and Genome Research&lt;/em&gt; in 2009, by Farre, Ponsa and Bosch, reported:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Although  their function has not yet been clearly elucidated, interstitial  telomeric sequences (ITSs) have been cytogenetically associated with  chromosomal reorganizations, fragile sites, and recombination hotspots.  In this paper, we show that ITSs are not located at the exact  evolutionary breakpoints of the inversions between human and chimpanzee  and between human and rhesus macaque chromosomes. We proved that ITSs  are not signs of repair in the breakpoints of the chromosome  reorganizations analyzed. We found ITSs in the region (0.7-2.7 Mb)  flanking one of the two breakpoints in all the inversions assessed. The  presence of ITSs in those locations is not by chance. They are short (up  to 7.83 repeats) and almost perfect (82.5-97.1% matches). The ITSs are  conserved in the species compared, showing that they were present before  the reorganizations occurred.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, what is the significance  of the cited paper? Though there are many documented instances of these  interstitial telomeric sequences in the genomes of humans and chimps,  the 2q13 interstitial telomeric sequence is the &lt;em&gt;only one&lt;/em&gt; that  is able to be associated with an evolutionary breakage point or fusion.  The other ones fail to line up with primate chromosomal breakpoints.  &lt;p&gt;As the authors of the paper note,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The availability of complete genome sequences (Hubbard &lt;i&gt;et al.&lt;/i&gt;,  2007) offers the opportunity to characterize the regions flanking the  breakpoints of chromosomal reorganizations at the molecular level.  However, to our knowledge, only the head-to-head ITS located in the  human 2q13 region, which is a relic of an ancient telomere-telomere  fusion, is precisely associated with an evolutionary breakpoint (Ijdo &lt;i&gt;et al.&lt;/i&gt;,  1991). Here, we used bioinformatic tools to analyze, in the current  genome releases, the presence of short ITSs in the chromosomal  inversions that do not involve terminal regions and that occurred  between human and chimpanzee and between human and rhesus macaque during  evolution."&lt;/blockquote&gt;The pro-ID evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg has also briefly weighed in on the paper &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/05/guy_walks_into_a_bar_and_think020401.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Sternberg notes,&lt;blockquote&gt;How,  precisely, are miles and miles of TTAGGG of significance? From the  standpoint of chromosome architecture, the repetitive elements en masse  have the propensity to form complicated topologies such as quadruplex  DNA. These sequences or, rather, topographies are also bound by a host  of chromatin proteins and particular RNAs to generate a unique  "suborganelle" -- for the lack of better term -- at each end. As a  matter of fact, the chromatin organization of telomeres can silence  genes and has been linked to epigenetic modes of inheritance in yeast  and fruit flies. Furthermore, different classes of transcripts emanate  from telomeres and their flanking repetitive DNA regions, which are  involved in various and sundry cellular and developmental operations.  &lt;p&gt;[...]&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;ITSs reflect sites where TTAGGG repeats have been added to  chromosomes by telomerases, that these repeats are moreover engineered  -- literally synthesized by the telomerase machinery, that ITSs have a  telomere-like chromatin organization and are associated with distinct  sets of proteins, and that many have been linked to roles such a  recombination hotspots.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thus, the take-home message is  this: To make much of the 2q13 interstitial telomeric sequence and  portray it as typical of what is observed in chimp and human genomes may  be considered careful cherry-picking of data.  &lt;p&gt;And what about the secondary alpha satellite sequences found in  chromosome 2? Is that not best understood as a genetic residue from a  previously functioning centromere on a separate chromosome? Perhaps. But  the situation is not quite as clear as is often made out.  Neo-centromeres, for example, are rare events which result in the  formation of a new centromere (see, for example, &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15289667"&gt;Warburton 2004&lt;/a&gt;).  One suggestion, however, that the additional centromere in chromosome 2  did not arise by this process is the fact that neo-centromeres are  usually not associated with the characteristic centromeric repetitive  alpha-satellite DNA. But these neo-centromeres are poorly understood,  and it may come to pass that a mechanism is discovered that can make  these neo-centromeres full of alpha-satellite DNA. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;One particularly interesting study, from &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8444464"&gt;Baldini &lt;em&gt;et al.&lt;/em&gt; (1993)&lt;/a&gt;, reported the presence of secondary alpha satellite DNA on human chromosome 9! To further complicate matters, &lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7726296"&gt;Luke and Verma (1995)&lt;/a&gt;  subsequently reported on the occurrence of secondary alpha satellite  DNA in all primates. In 1997, a research group published another  interesting study (&lt;a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9465402"&gt;Samonte &lt;em&gt;et al.,&lt;/em&gt; 1997&lt;/a&gt;).  These researchers hybridized twenty-one different chromosome-specific  human alpha satellite DNA probes to the full complement of chromosomes  from the chimpanzee, gorilla and the orangutan. They reported that most  of the human probes failed to hybridize to the equivalent ape  chromosome. Instead, they gave positive signals on non-corresponding  chromosomes. Thus, they concluded, alpha satellite DNA sequences show  little conservation in primate lineages.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In summary, the argument for human-chimp common ancestry, based on the chromosome 2 fusion evidence, is inconclusive. Given the sheer lack of a viable naturalistic mechanism to account for the evolution of life on earth, I am inclined to be rather skeptical of the claims of common descent -- particularly in its universal sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/10/wikipedia_and_common_descent_p051681.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;This article was excerpted from a longer article on Evolution News &amp;amp; Views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-3508424500866007576?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3508424500866007576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-chromosome-2-fusion-evidence-prove.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3508424500866007576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3508424500866007576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-chromosome-2-fusion-evidence-prove.html' title='Does the Chromosome 2 Fusion Evidence Prove Our Shared Ancestry With Chimpanzees?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/zi8FfMBYCkk/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-4911366668534570874</id><published>2012-02-01T14:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-01T14:21:56.385-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><title type='text'>Climbing Mount Improbable: What's the Problem?</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/h38Xi-Jz9yk" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-4911366668534570874?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4911366668534570874/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/climbing-mount-improbable-whats-problem.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4911366668534570874'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4911366668534570874'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/climbing-mount-improbable-whats-problem.html' title='Climbing Mount Improbable: What&apos;s the Problem?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/h38Xi-Jz9yk/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1374728150064426157</id><published>2012-02-01T06:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-01T07:33:36.822-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><title type='text'>On Same Sex Marriage: A Response to Stephen B.</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XpxRQ2BP69g/TylZ8AT1wpI/AAAAAAAAAIA/jn7JG-xRntk/s1600/marriage2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XpxRQ2BP69g/TylZ8AT1wpI/AAAAAAAAAIA/jn7JG-xRntk/s320/marriage2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5704189290451681938" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Over on the &lt;a href="http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/index.php"&gt;CrossExamined blog&lt;/a&gt;, where I am also a regular contributor, a &lt;a href="http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/?p=275#comment-30001"&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt; from Stephen B. has offered a response to my &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-banning-same-sex-marriage.html"&gt;previously published article&lt;/a&gt; concerning same sex marriage. Stephen writes,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Sorry Jonathan, but this is not a category error, and your objection doesn’t work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Here’s the comparison:&lt;br /&gt;White man marrying black woman / man marrying man.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;If you want to describe it in terms of ‘actions’ then the former is  marrying someone of the opposite race; in the latter it is marrying  someone of the same gender.&lt;br /&gt;If you want to describe it in terms of ‘behaviour’ then the former could  be described as ‘being attracted to the opposite race’; in the latter  it’s same-sex attraction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Your objection does not make a ‘like-for-like’ comparison. You compare the action in the one to the behavior in the other. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;It would be equally fallacious to say “There are lots of people who  stop finding other races attractive, whereas there are no former men’.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A like-for-like comparison would either be to point out that:&lt;br /&gt;a) Race doesn’t change and gender doesn’t change; or&lt;br /&gt;b) Race attraction can change and gender attraction can change.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Either way, there is no category error being made and a comparison to  anti-miscegenation laws are quite valid. Objections such as ‘Not many  inter-racial couples are choosing to get married’ would be equally  irrelevant, whether true or not."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stephen, race is not foundational to the concept of marriage. Gender, however is. Permitting interracial marriage does not necessitate a fundamental &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;redefinition&lt;/span&gt; of the very heart of what marriage is. There is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;zero&lt;/span&gt; evidence to suggest that, say, having an Asian mother and a Caucasian father is detrimental to a child's upbringing and development. There is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;plenty&lt;/span&gt; of evidence, however, to suggest that a child's upbringing is impaired by the absence of either a mother or a father. I may write a follow-up post reviewing some of the pertinent literature in this regard.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I stand by my assertion that interracial marriage is quite different from homosexual marriage. Indeed, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruling of the Baker v. Nelson 1971 case (which over-turned restrictions on interracial marriage) stated:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"[I]n commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely on race and one based on the fundamental difference in sex."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;The court ruling was subsequently appealed to the US Supreme Court, though it did not receive a hearing. The court stated "appeal dismissed for want of a substantial federal question."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Polls also show that African Americans are largely opposed to the proposed redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples (see, for example, &lt;a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-09-23/news/queer-eye-for-the-black-guy/1/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). In fact, a 2004 article in &lt;a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rasap/browse_thread/thread/53d5fa6cb271616a/f0d383f8430fd4c5%3Fq%3D%2522Civil%2BRights%2522%23f0d383f8430fd4c5&amp;amp;ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&amp;amp;sa=t&amp;amp;ct=res&amp;amp;cd=58&amp;amp;source=groups&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNGLhzStRZ_tastyE8t_ZZQC_xHDjA?pli=1"&gt;The Charlotte Observer&lt;/a&gt; noted that "Blacks Resent Comparison of Gay Rights to Civil Rights" and that "The gay rights movement is not the same in this regard because it is focused on securing rights for one group of Americans. It is not a civil rights movement but rather a special rights movement to secure rights for those who have chosen to be defined by their sexual preference."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stephen B. continued his response by quoting my statement that “Likewise, they have equal rights to marry anyone of the opposite gender,” noting,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Which brings us straight back to the anti-miscegenation argument that  all white people have an equal right to marry other white people, and  all black people have an equal right to marry other black people. And  yes, that argument was made at the time. It's a disingenuous claim to  equal rights. You might as well ban Catholicism and say they have an  equal right to practice Protestantism.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;One needs to consider at this point what the purpose of marriage actually is. The purpose of marriage, at least so far as the state is concerned, is primarily to produce a suitable nurturing environment for establishing families and for raising children -- and ultimately for bringing forth the next generation. In her &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Varieties-Sexual-Experience-Anthropological-Perspective/dp/0875363423"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Varieties of Sexual Experience: An Anthropological Perspective on Human Sexuality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (p. 248), Suzanne G. Frayser states that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Marriage is a relationship within which a group socially approves and encourages sexual intercourse and the birth of children."&lt;/span&gt; The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;only&lt;/span&gt; kind of relationship which can bring forth the next generation is between a man and a woman. As the gay American writer Michelangelo Signorile tellingly wrote in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;OUT&lt;/span&gt; magazine in May of 1996,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"The trick is, gay leaders and pundits must stop watering the issue down -- "this is simply about equality for gay couples" -- and offer same-sex marriage for what it is: an opportunity to reconstruct a traditionally homophobic institution by bringing it to our more equitable queer value system, ... a chance to wholly transform the definition of family in American culture... Our gay leaders must acknowledge that gay marriage is just as radical and transformative as the religious Right contends it is."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In conclusion, there is more to the debate over same-sex marriage than often meets the eye. While certain people doubtless have propensities towards, or desires for, particular types of behaviour (such as homosexuality), to claim that we ought to have the right to act upon every desire or impulse that we have is irrational. Self-restraint with respect to some behaviours is a necessary ingredient for a civilised society. As Frank Turek &lt;a href="http://www.equip.org/articles/protecting-america-s-immune-system"&gt;explains&lt;/a&gt;, "[t]he legalization of homosexual marriage threatens traditional marriage — the national immune system that protects our civilization from destruction." For a more detailed discussion of this topic, I refer readers to Frank Turek's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Correct Not Politically Correct: How Same Sex Marriage Hurts Everyone&lt;/span&gt; and Glen Stanton and Bill Maier's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Marriage on Trial: The Case Against Same Sex Marriage and Parenting&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-1374728150064426157?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1374728150064426157/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-same-sex-marriage-response-to.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1374728150064426157'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/1374728150064426157'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-same-sex-marriage-response-to.html' title='On Same Sex Marriage: A Response to Stephen B.'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XpxRQ2BP69g/TylZ8AT1wpI/AAAAAAAAAIA/jn7JG-xRntk/s72-c/marriage2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-5035228076192772019</id><published>2012-02-01T01:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-01T09:00:07.229-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><title type='text'>Is Banning Same Sex Marriage Discrimination?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DC83SXIBLDU/TykNORY1ajI/AAAAAAAAAH0/4GAeXeVvhEM/s1600/rings.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 362px; height: 271px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DC83SXIBLDU/TykNORY1ajI/AAAAAAAAAH0/4GAeXeVvhEM/s320/rings.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5704104941878340146" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;[Note: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This is &lt;a href="http://www.blogos.org/letters-editor.html"&gt;an exchange&lt;/a&gt; which took place between myself and an anonymous correspondant regarding a recent article I &lt;a href="http://www.blogos.org/peopleandpolitics/same-sex-marriage.html"&gt;published on Blogos.org&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-i-cannot-support-same-sex-marriage.html"&gt;re-posted here&lt;/a&gt;). The correspondant's comments are appended below and immediately followed by my response.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dear Blogos Editor,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all, congratulations on your new site.  I'm glad and excited  for your new venture and pray that God would bless and prosper your  mission.  As a Christian, I stand side by side with you all in  contending with the faith.  God bless you all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I must disagree with you in one point in the fact that you say  banning gay marriage is not discrimination.  If I were to ban  interracial marriage, and tell two people they cannot be married based  on their race, it would be discrimination.  The Lord himself shows  discrimination, he chooses to save those who believes in his Son, and  reject those who do not.  There's nothing wrong with a government being  discriminate in some cases, as long as its based on an objective set of  morals.  In this case, that would be the Word of God.  If we want  America (or any country) to judge on spiritual matters, they must judge  ALL spiritual matters, which means we must also persecute heretics, and  we both know from history how that works out.  If a society would want  to base their government off the Bible, I would be excited, but wary.   But the nation that has been murdering infants for over 50 years and  that has done some very deplorable things in warfare, needs whole-scale  moral reform, not just knit picking to ostracize certain sinful groups,  and promoting others.  That is my opinion.  God bless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anonymous&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Dear Anonymous,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Regarding my &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.blogos.org/peopleandpolitics/same-sex-marriage.html"&gt;recent article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; concerning the issue of same sex marriage in Scotland, you expressed disagreement with what I wrote. You remarked,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I must disagree with you in one point in the fact that you say  banning gay marriage is not discrimination.  If I were to ban  interracial marriage, and tell two people they cannot be married based  on their race, it would be discrimination."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;This is not quite what I said. Maintaining the traditional concept of  marriage as an exclusive life-long union between one man and one woman &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;does&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; discriminate. However, it is not discrimination against &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;persons, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; but against &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;behaviour. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; As I previously stated, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  laws are discriminatory in this sense. As I explained in my previous  article, there are a number of reasons why the institution of  same-sex-marriage is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; conducive to society's best interests. Homosexuals have -- or at least &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;should have&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  -- equal rights to anyone else when it comes to such things as  employment, benefits, medical care, etc. Likewise, they have equal  rights to marry anyone of the opposite gender. It is not merely &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;equal&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; rights that homosexuals seek, but rather &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;special&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  rights -- that is, the right to fundamentally redefine the age-long  institution of marriage.  You also committed a category error with respect to your comparison of  same-sex-marriage with interracial marriage. Again, this is an issue of  discrimination &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;against behaviour, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; and not against &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;persons.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  There are plenty of former homosexuals; whereas there are no former  Africans. Similarly, denying a schoolboy the right to get changed in the  girls' changing rooms is not discrimination against boys but rather  against a particular behaviour. In any civilised society, certain  restrictions on what is permissable have to be set in place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;You further commented,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The Lord himself shows discrimination, he chooses to save those who  believes in his Son, and reject those who do not.  There's nothing wrong  with a government being discriminate in some cases, as long as its  based on an objective set of morals.  In this case, that would be the  Word of God."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I don't think any of the arguments in my previous article made appeal to the Word of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;You continued,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"If we want America (or any country) to judge on spiritual matters,  they must judge ALL spiritual matters, which means we must also  persecute heretics, and we both know from history how that works out."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;There are three things that any government can do in relation to a given behaviour or activity. They can (i) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;prohibit&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  an activity; (ii) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;permit&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  an activity; or (iii) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;promote&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  an activity. The institution of same-sex-marriage attempts to make the move from merely &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;permitting&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  an activity to actively &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;promoting&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;   it. As I stated in my article, the majority of homosexuals living in  areas where same-sex-marriage is legal do not get married. Why? The  purpose of their campaign is not primarily for the purpose of marriage,  but rather for legitimisation of their practice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;You concluded,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"If a society would want to base their government off the Bible, I  would be excited, but wary.  But the nation that has been murdering  infants for over 50 years and that has done some very deplorable things  in warfare, needs whole-scale moral reform, not just knit picking to  ostracize certain sinful groups, and promoting others."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Again, the arguments I described in my previous post made absolutely no  appeal to the Bible. I quite agree, however, that Christians ought to be  careful not to single out homosexuality as if it were the 'chief of all  sins'. The world is in need of moral reform, and this includes matters  such as abortion. The church also needs to be careful not to be found  guilty of double standards. As Jesus explained in Matthew 7:4-5, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"How  can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’  when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first  take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to  remove the speck from your brother’s eye."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; The church must be careful to walk in purity and integrity, and not fall into sin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;- Jonathan McLatchie&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5035228076192772019?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5035228076192772019/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-banning-same-sex-marriage.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5035228076192772019'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5035228076192772019'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-banning-same-sex-marriage.html' title='Is Banning Same Sex Marriage Discrimination?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DC83SXIBLDU/TykNORY1ajI/AAAAAAAAAH0/4GAeXeVvhEM/s72-c/rings.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-2951311508651544778</id><published>2012-02-01T00:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-20T09:05:19.993-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><title type='text'>Britain’s Moral Decline</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VBUTnW0A_js/Tyj69cHII5I/AAAAAAAAAHo/W363YbKuaPU/s1600/moraldecline.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 294px; height: 397px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VBUTnW0A_js/Tyj69cHII5I/AAAAAAAAAHo/W363YbKuaPU/s320/moraldecline.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5704084861489783698" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The British BBC News last week &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16714872"&gt;reported&lt;/a&gt;  on research conducted at the University of Essex finding that "Britons  are less honest than they were a decade ago." According to the article,  "the survey of more than 2,000 adults found that people were apparently  more tolerant of lying and extramarital affairs than they were in 2000."  The study also suggested that younger people have less integrity than  older people, that women have marginally more integrity than men, and  that occupation and social class has no statistically significant  influence on integrity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To each of the participants, the study (which was previously conducted  in 2000) assigned an "integrity score" based on their answers to  questions relating to the justifiability of activities such as deceit,  pocketing money recovered from the street, and paying for public  transport. In the previous study, 70% of participants stated that  extramarital affairs were wrong. In the 2011 study, conversely, this  figure fell to 50%. In 2000, 40% of participants asserted that pocketing  money recovered from the street was wrong. This figure fell to under  20% in the 2011 study.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Professor Paul Whiteley, director of the Essex Centre for the Study of Integrity, said, &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“If social capital is low and people are suspicious and  don’t work together, those communities have worse health, worse  educational performance, they are less happy and they are less  economically developed and entrepreneurial. It really does have a  profound effect...If integrity continues to decline in the future, then  it will be very difficult to mobilise volunteers to support the Big  Society initiative,”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; The article further reports, &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; “Prof Whiteley also said he thought part of the reason  young people were found to be more likely to be dishonest than older  people was because "the role models are not very good".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If you think about it, you know, footballers that cheat on their wives;  some journalists that hack into phones; behaviour in the City, where  people are selling financial instruments they think are no good but do  not say so. These kind of things," he said.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; It is sad to read such reports of the decline in moral standards in  Britain and elsewhere. It is remarkable than 2000 years ago, the apostle  Paul would warn Timothy,  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"There will be terrible times in the last days. People  will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive,  disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love,  unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the  good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than  lovers of God—  having a form of godliness but denying its power," (2  Timothy 3:1-4). &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; As I &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-i-cannot-support-same-sex-marriage.html"&gt;reported previously&lt;/a&gt;,  the Scottish government is currently making a decision with regards the  potential legalisation of same-sex-marriage in the not-too-distant  future. Christians must continue to take a stand for that which is right  in God's eyes. As we are commanded in 2 Peter 3:11-12, we "ought to  live holy and godly lives, as [we] look forward to the day of God and  speed its coming."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.blogos.org/peopleandpolitics/moral-decline.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This article was originally published on Blogos.org.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-2951311508651544778?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2951311508651544778/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/02/britains-moral-decline.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6211533787476682337</id><published>2012-01-31T08:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-31T09:13:10.046-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Gospel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Deity of Jesus'/><title type='text'>Why I Love Jesus But Reject Islam: Ivey Conerly</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0X9c_LNwqtU" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="400" width="600"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Note: If you are unfamiliar with the background to this, please watch:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;Why I Hate Religion But Love Jesus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNGqrzkFp_4"&gt;Why I Hate Religion But Love Jesus (Muslim Version)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4fkUhEC5w&amp;amp;feature=channel_video_title"&gt;A Christian Response to Kamal Saleh's Islamic Video&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-6211533787476682337?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6211533787476682337/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-i-love-jesus-but-reject-islam-ivey.html#comment-form' title='0 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-5018483918871727692</id><published>2012-01-31T05:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-31T06:56:48.198-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bart Ehrman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Acts of the Apostles'/><title type='text'>Who Wrote the Gospels?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IR3wcs_zrn4/Tyf4Ctm4zVI/AAAAAAAAAHc/iKyBIUZbTrU/s1600/gospels.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 275px; height: 366px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IR3wcs_zrn4/Tyf4Ctm4zVI/AAAAAAAAAHc/iKyBIUZbTrU/s320/gospels.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5703800178574150994" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One often hears the claim, made frequently by skeptical scholars and laypeople alike, that we have no grounds on which to think the four canonical gospels were actually written by the people to whom they are ascribed. The original documents, we are told, were written in anonymity, the attributions being added by scribes at a later date. This claim is made frequently by the notorious textual critic Bart Ehrman. Is Ehrman's assessment correct here, however? Do we have any evidence which might indicate the authorship of the four gospels?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;Ehrman is actually mistaken in his assertion that we know the original documents did not bear the name of their author. As Ehrman knows full well (he's constantly reminding us), we don’t have the original documents in our possession (as is the case for all sources of that time period) and so we couldn’t possibly know for sure one way or the other. But I think there is positive indication that the gospels were written by the persons to whom they were attributed by the early church (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;One example would be the fact that two of the gospels are ascribed to such minor characters as Mark and Luke -- neither of whom, by any accounts, were themselves eyewitnesses. Had a forger wanted to acquire credibility for his writing he would undoubtedly have attributed it to someone like Peter, Thomas or James (as the later second and third century Gnostic gospels did).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;Actually, there is some compelling evidence (both external and internal) that Mark penned the eyewitness accounts of Peter. For example, Justin Martyr, writing around A.D. 150, spoke of Mark's Gospel as "the memoirs of Peter." He suggested that Mark wrote down his material when he was in Itasly (which concurs with other early tradition which indicates that the gospel of Mark was penned in Rome for the benefit of the Christians there. Iraeneus (writing approx. A.D. 185) referred to Mark as "the disciple and interpreter of Peter." Most famously, Papias, the bishop of Hieropolis (writing approx. A.D. 140) wrote,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;" class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;"And the presbyter [the Apostle John] said this: Mark, having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord's sayings. Wherfore Mark made no mistake in thus writing some sayings as he remembered them. For one thing he took especial care, not to omit anything he had heard, and not to put anything fictitious into the statements."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It is curious, then, that Mark's gospel did not become “the gospel according to Peter” but, rather, “the gospel according to Mark”.  &lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;I also think that the gospel traditionally attributed to John claims that authorship. It refers throughout to the certain “disciple whom Jesus loved”, a disciple who is clearly John but who is never mentioned by name. Given that John is a very prominant disciple in the three other gospels  (the synoptics name the Apostle John approximately 20 times), this is  very curious indeed, and suggests that the author assumed his readers  would know who the author was. In the final chapter of John’s gospel, he writes, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;“This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down.”&lt;/i&gt; In addition, there is some strong external corroboration for the Johanine authorship of John's gospel. Irenaeus (A.D. 130-200), who was a student of Polycarp (A.D. 70-160), who in turn was student of the apostle John, testifies to the Johanine authorship of John and asserts that it was written when John was in Ephesus and when he was well on in years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;There is also some supportive evidence, I think, for the traditional authorship of Luke. Apart from being another fairly minor character (and not one of the twelve disciples), we also know that Acts of the Apostles is written by the same individual as Luke’s gospel. From Acts 16 onwards, the narrator routinely employs the pronouns “we” and “us”, which suggests that the narrator is in close contact with Paul and his companions. Moreover, much of the information relayed in Acts is unlikely to be known by an individual who had not completed that trip -- or, at the very least, been in contact with someone who had. Indeed, Paul, in his letters, refers to his companion Luke three times (Colossians 4:14; 2 Timothy 4:11; Philemon 1:24).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;The evidence for the authorship of Matthew's gospel is weaker than for the other three. Matthew's gospel would certainly have to have been written by someone who was familiar with the time and place (e.g. see Peter William's lecture &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-evidences-gospels-are-based-on.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). The Gospel's authorship, as is the case for all four gospels, goes unchallenged in the early church. In his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesiastical History&lt;/span&gt;, the church historian Eusebius (A.D. 265-339) quotes Origen (A.D. 185-254), stating,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNoSpacing"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Among the four Gospels, which are the only indisputable ones in the Church of God under heaven, I have learned by tradition that the first was written by Matthew, who was once a publician, but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, and it was prepared for the converts from Judaism."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;To conclude, there is no good reason to doubt the traditional authorship of the four gospels, and there are various internal and external indicators to suggest that the traditional authorship is correct. I could continue in the same vein, listing such evidences, for some time. For a fuller discussion of the topic, I refer readers to Richard Bauckham’s book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-5018483918871727692?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/5018483918871727692/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/who-wrote-gospels.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5018483918871727692'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/5018483918871727692'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/who-wrote-gospels.html' title='Who Wrote the Gospels?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IR3wcs_zrn4/Tyf4Ctm4zVI/AAAAAAAAAHc/iKyBIUZbTrU/s72-c/gospels.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-6997741823327269969</id><published>2012-01-30T15:14:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-31T06:48:56.698-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>What is the Origin of Digital Information Found in DNA?</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe width="600" height="400" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XexHxgxTbWY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-6997741823327269969?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6997741823327269969/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-is-origin-of-digital-information.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6997741823327269969'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/6997741823327269969'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-is-origin-of-digital-information.html' title='What is the Origin of Digital Information Found in DNA?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/XexHxgxTbWY/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1993886994896039241</id><published>2012-01-30T08:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-30T08:44:45.591-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Events and Announcements'/><title type='text'>John Lennox to Lecture in Edinburgh Next Monday</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z9vGGz5K8Tc/TybIqpz1hsI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/yEWy0bS0yCs/s1600/lennox.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; 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He argues that their methodology is  both flawed and unscientific, and does not give a sound basis for  ethics. Followed by an opportunity to ask questions and refreshments.&lt;div id="summary"&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Phone:&lt;/strong&gt; 0131 451 4508&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Email:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;script type="text/javascript"&gt; //&lt;![CDATA[ var e='3E612F3C6B753B3634232663613B3634232677683B34362326656E676F6C756F623B363423266D3E226B753B3634232663613B3634232677683B34362326656E676F6C756F623B363423266D3A6F746C69616D223D6665726820613C';var d='';for(i=e.length-2;i&gt;=0;i-=2){d+=unescape('%'+e.substr(i,2));};document.write(d); //]]&gt; &lt;/script&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:m.boulogne@hw.ac.uk"&gt;m.boulogne@hw.ac.uk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Date:&lt;/span&gt; Monday 6th February&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Time:&lt;/span&gt; 6:30pm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Venue:&lt;/span&gt; Heriot-Watt University: James Watt Centre 1, Edinburgh.&lt;a 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-8516190114538396730</id><published>2012-01-29T09:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-29T09:21:04.421-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sunday Quote'/><title type='text'>A Sunday Quote</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style:italic;font-size:130%;" &gt;"Faith is not a leap in the dark; it's the exact opposite. It's a commitment based on evidence... It is irrational to reduce all faith to blind faith and then subject it to ridicule. That provides a very anti-intellectual and convenient way of avoiding intelligent discussion."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;John Lennox&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-8516190114538396730?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/8516190114538396730/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/sunday-quote_29.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/8516190114538396730'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/8516190114538396730'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/sunday-quote_29.html' title='A Sunday Quote'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7850891419588748038</id><published>2012-01-29T08:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-08T06:05:52.221-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cults'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Deity of Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jehovah&apos;s Witnesses'/><title type='text'>The Trinity Defended</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tu6lb-fTspA/TyRrlmkycgI/AAAAAAAAAHE/ZwPxMCIR7Ik/s1600/Trinity.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 330px; height: 296px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tu6lb-fTspA/TyRrlmkycgI/AAAAAAAAAHE/ZwPxMCIR7Ik/s320/Trinity.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5702801321912070658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The  doctrine of the Trinity has come under increasing attack over recent  years from a variety of groups. Some of these groups (such as Muslims  and Jehovah's witnesses) deny that this doctrine is even found in  Scripture. They are often quick to point out that the word "trinity" is  to be found nowhere in the Bible. This is correct. While the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;phraseology&lt;/span&gt; is not found in Scripture, however, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;concept&lt;/span&gt; most certainly is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this article, I want to provide a definition of this important doctrine, explaining what exactly the Trinity &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;is&lt;/span&gt;, as well as what is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;isn't&lt;/span&gt;. I shall then examine the Scriptures to see whether they provide adequate substantiation of this concept.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what exactly do we mean when we talk about the Trinity? Writing in the early third century, in his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Against Praxeas&lt;/span&gt;,  Tertullian is credited with first employing the words "Trinity",  "person" and "substance" to convey the idea of the Father, Son and  Spirit being "one in essence -- but not one in person". Indeed,  Tertullian writes,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Thus  the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the  Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One  from Another. These Three are, one essence, not one Person, as it is  said, "I and my Father are One," in respect of unity of substance not  singularity of number."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This  concept was established as church orthodoxy at the famous Council of  Nicaea in A.D. 325. The Nicene Creed speaks of Christ as "God of God,  Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten not made, being of one  substance with the Father."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is this definition that I am going  to assume in the discussion that follows. Succinctly, then, the  doctrine of the Trinity may be defined thusly: Within the one &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;being&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;essence&lt;/span&gt; that is God, there exists &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;three &lt;/span&gt;co-equal and co-divine distinct &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;persons&lt;/span&gt;  -- namely the Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- who share that essence  fully and completely. This concept is not to be confused with  polytheism, which maintains that there are multiple gods. While orthodox  Christianity emphatically holds there to be only one God, we  nonetheless understand God to be complex in his unity. The concept is  also not to be confused with the ancient heresy of modalism, which  maintains that God exists in three different modes. The Son has never  been the Father and the Holy Spirit has never been the Son or the  Father. Modalism is refuted by the picture given to us in all four  gospels (Matthew 3:16-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:32-34) in  which the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus in the form of a dove and a  voice is heard from Heaven &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"This is my beloved Son. With him I am well pleased."&lt;/span&gt;  Similarly, it should be noted that the Father, Son and Spirit do not  each make up merely a third of the Godhead. Rather, each of the three  persons is God in the full and complete sense of the word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having  shown that Scripture emphatically rejects the notion that the Father,  Son and Spirit are synonymous persons, only five propositions remain to  be demonstrated in order to provide Biblical substantiation for the  concept of the Trinity. Those propositions are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;There is only one eternal God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Father is the eternal God.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Son is the eternal God.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Holy Spirit is the eternal God.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Although  the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are non-synonymous persons, the concept  of the Trinity does not violate the law of non-contradiction.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let's take a look at each of these in turn.&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Bible Teaches Monotheism&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The  Biblical support for monotheism is extremely strong, and supporting  references are far too numerous to list here. Nonetheless, let us  content ourselves with a few examples.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Deuteronomy 6:4:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hear, O Israel: The &lt;span class="sc"&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt; our God, the &lt;span class="sc"&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt; is one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;          &lt;p style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Isaiah 43:10-11:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-18516"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “and my servant whom I have chosen, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;so that you may know and believe me &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and understand that I am he. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Before me no god was formed, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   nor will there be one after me. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-18517"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; I, even I, am the LORD, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and apart from me there is no savior. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Isaiah 44:6-8:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;6&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “This is what the LORD says— &lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I am the first and I am the last; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   apart from me there is no God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-18541"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Let him declare and lay out before me &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;what has happened since I established my ancient people, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and what is yet to come— &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   yes, let them foretell what will come. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-18542"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Do not tremble, do not be afraid. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1 Corinthians 8:6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet  for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for  whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things  and through whom we exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Isaiah 45:5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;      &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I am the &lt;span class="sc"&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt;, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;         &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Deity of the Father&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This  is the least controversial of the five points, and many of the verses  cited above would suffice to demonstrate it. Indeed, in the high  priestly prayer of the Lord Jesus, recorded in John 17, Jesus says to  the Father (verse 5), &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Now this is eternal life:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;that they know you&lt;/span&gt;,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."&lt;/span&gt; The Father is similarly referred to as God in John 3:16, in which we read, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"For  God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that  whoever  believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;One  could continue in this vein for some time. But since nobody is denying  this contention, let us move on to consider the Biblical support for the  perfect and complete deity of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Deity of the Son&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The  Biblical support for the perfect and complete deity of Christ is  similarly very strong. For example, Phillipians 2:5-11 states,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29397"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29398"&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; Who, being in very nature God,&lt;br /&gt;did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29399"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; rather, he made himself nothing&lt;br /&gt;by taking the very nature of a servant,&lt;br /&gt;being made in human likeness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29400"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt; And being found in appearance as a man,&lt;br /&gt;he humbled himself&lt;br /&gt;by becoming obedient to death—&lt;br /&gt;even death on a cross! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29401"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt; Therefore God exalted him to the highest place&lt;br /&gt;and gave him the name that is above every name,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29402"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,&lt;br /&gt;in heaven and on earth and under the earth,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29403"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,&lt;br /&gt;to the glory of God the Father.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;According to Jude 1:4,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people,   who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny   Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Titus 2:13 similarly states that we...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;...wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The apostle Peter similarly addresses his second epistle (2 Peter 1:1) to...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Colossians 1:15-20&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;speaks of Jesus thusly:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29481"&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29482"&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,   visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or   authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29483"&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29484"&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and  the  firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have  the  supremacy. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29485"&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29486"&gt;20&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on   earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on   the cross. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The passage uses the word "firstborn" in  this context in the sense that Christ is the heir and all things are His  rightful inheritance, not in the sense that he is himself a created  being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Colossians 2:9 similarly asserts that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Even in the Old Testament, in Isaiah 9:6-7, we read,&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-17836"&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; For to us a child is born, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   to us a son is given, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and the government will be on his shoulders. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;And he will be called &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-17837"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Of the greatness of his government and peace &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   there will be no end. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;He will reign on David’s throne &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   and over his kingdom, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;establishing and upholding it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   with justice and righteousness &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   from that time on and forever. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The zeal of the LORD Almighty &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   will accomplish this. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Citation  of this passage is sometimes countered by claiming that the passage  distinguishes between the "Mighty God" and the "LORD Almighty." Such an  objection is easily refuted, however, when one looks at Isaiah 10:21 and  finds the title "Mighty God" being ascribed to Yahweh.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There  are many more such references as well. When cultists come to your door,  however, they will often attempt to find some wiggle room by crafty  manipulations of the Greek. If (like me) you are not well acquainted  with Greek, and are thus not competent in demonstrating their abuse of  it, this can be quite daunting. There is, however, a means by which you  can circumvent such discussions and still persuasively defend the deity  of Christ. It is to this that I now turn.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;There  are numerous occasions in Scripture where titles that are ascribed to  Yahweh are also attributed to Christ. One example of this is the title  of "the alpha and the omega" or "the first and the last." This title is  ascribed to Yahweh in Isaiah 44:6 and 48:12, as well as in Revelation  1:8. It is attributed to Jesus, however, in Revelation 1:17-18. It is  very clear from the context that it is Jesus who is speaking because he  subsequently says, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I am the Living One; I was dead and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."&lt;/span&gt; Similarly, Revelation 2:8, in the letter to the Church in Smyrna, says &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again."&lt;/span&gt;  This title is also attributed to Jesus in Revelation 21:6, as well as  in 22:13. Verse 16 of Revelation 22 makes it very clear that it is Jesus  speaking, for he says, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I, Jesus,  have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the  Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;A further example is the "I AM" title which Jesus ascribes to Himself in John 8:58 (&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“before Abraham was born, I am!”&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;. The Greek (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ego eimi&lt;/span&gt;)  uses the very same phraseology used in the Septuagint in reference to  Yahweh (e.g. Exodus 3:14; Isaiah 43:10). Indeed, the soldiers who come  to arrest Jesus in John 18 draw back and fall to the ground upon the  very utterance of the words "I AM" from Jesus' lips. This highlights the  theological significance of this phrase. The Jews in John 8 certainly  understood what He meant, for they picked up stones to stone Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another  self-designation of Jesus in the New Testament is the famous "Son of  Man" title, a clear reference to Daniel 7:13-14, in which we read the  following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-21947"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-21948"&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and   peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting   dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will  never  be destroyed. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here, Daniel describes a  divine-human figure who would be given authority, glory and sovereign  power, and would be worshipped by people of all nations and people of  every language. When Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man before the high  priest Caiaphas (Matthew 26:64-66), Caiaphas tore his clothes, charged  him with blasphemy, and condemned him as "worthy of death." The reason?  Caiaphas new exactly what that title meant -- it was a direct claim to  deity, a crime punishable by death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's particularly telling  about this claim is that the Son of Man is worshipped by all people. Yet  worship is to be given only to Yahweh, as we learn in Deuternonomy  6:13. This verse is quoted by Jesus during his temptation in the desert.  In Luke 4:8, Jesus rebukes Satan, saying, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’"&lt;/span&gt; Furthermore, Isaiah 42:8 says,&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I am the LORD; that is my name! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   I will not yield my glory to another &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   or my praise to idols. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This leads us to consider yet another of Jesus' sayings. In John 17:5, Jesus says, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."&lt;/span&gt; In addition to his claim to pre-exist creation, Jesus here is also claiming to share the glory of the Father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John  20:28 reports an incident where, following Jesus' resurrection, Thomas  -- upon seeing the nailprints in His hands and feet -- worships him  calling Him &lt;/span&gt;“My Lord and my God!” Jesus nowhere rebukes this act  of worship. This stands in contrast to when John fell at the feet of an  angel and tried to worship him (Revelation 22:8-9) and was strongly  rebuked: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Don’t do that! I am a fellow  servant with you and with your fellow  prophets and with all who keep  the words of this scroll. Worship God!”&lt;/span&gt; See Daniel Rodgers' article &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-jesus-receive-worship-from-thomas.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for a rebuttal to some of the common objections to this verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also read in Hebrews 1:6, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hebrews  1 contrasts the relationship between the Father and the angels with the  relationship between the Father and the Son. In verses 7-12, we read  the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29971"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; In speaking of the angels he says, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “He makes his angels spirits,&lt;br /&gt;and his servants flames of fire.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29972"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt; But about the Son he says, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;&lt;br /&gt;a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29973"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt; You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;&lt;br /&gt;therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions&lt;br /&gt;by anointing you with the oil of joy.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29974"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt; He also says, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  and the heavens are the work of your hands.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29975"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; They will perish, but you remain;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  they will all wear out like a garment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29976"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; You will roll them up like a robe;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  like a garment they will be changed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;But you remain the same,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  and your years will never end.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;  The writer of Hebrews here quotes two Old Testament passages (Psalm  45:6-7 and Psalm 102:25-27 respectively), both of which clearly refer to  Yahweh, and applies them to Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;One final example I will consider is found in John 12:37-41:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26618"&gt;37&lt;/sup&gt;Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26619"&gt;38&lt;/sup&gt; This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   “Lord, who has believed our message&lt;br /&gt;and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26620"&gt;39&lt;/sup&gt; For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26621"&gt;40&lt;/sup&gt; “He has blinded their eyes&lt;br /&gt;and hardened their hearts,&lt;br /&gt;so they can neither see with their eyes,&lt;br /&gt;nor understand with their hearts,&lt;br /&gt;nor turn—and I would heal them.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26622"&gt;41&lt;/sup&gt; Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;Here,  John quotes two passages from the Old Testament and asserts that Isaiah  said these things when he saw the glory of Jesus. The first of these  passages is from the famous &lt;a href="http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-isaiah-53-speak-about-jesus.html"&gt;suffering servant passage&lt;/a&gt;  of Isaiah 53. The second of those refers to Isaiah 6, in which Isaiah  beheld the glory of Yahweh seated on his throne in the temple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, in this vein one might continue for a long time. But let us now turn our attention to the status of the Holy Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Deity of the Spirit&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The  Holy Spirit is another doctrine which has come under attack, with some  groups (e.g. the Jehovah's witnesses) denying the personhood of the Holy  Spirit and asserting instead that it is merely an impersonal active  force. In this section, I aim to demonstrate that this view is untenable  and contrary to the clear teaching of Scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One very clear  reference to the deity and personhood of the Holy Spirit occurs in Acts  5:1-10, in which Ananias and Sapphira are charged with lying to the Holy  Spirit and struck down dead as a consequence. Peter rebukes Ananias,  saying,  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Ananias, how is it that  Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy  Spirit...You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”&lt;/span&gt;  Here, not only does the personhood of the Holy Spirit become apparent  (one cannot lie to an impersonal entity), but the Holy Spirit is also  equated with God Himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another example lies in Acts 13:1-2, in  which the Holy Spirit speaks and calls out Paul and Barnabas, sending  them out for the work ordained for them. In this passage, the Holy  Spirit clearly assumes divine authority. We read,&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-27364"&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  Now in the church at  Antioch there were prophets and teachers:  Barnabas, Simeon called Niger,  Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been  brought up with Herod the  tetrarch) and Saul. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-27365"&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said,   “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have  called  them.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-27366"&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;A further passage we might look to is Ephesians 4:30, in which we are instructed &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."&lt;/span&gt; Here, the Holy Spirit displays attributes of personhood -- one cannot grieve an impersonal force.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Holy Spirit is endowed with a will in 1 Corinthians 12:11: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines."&lt;/span&gt; 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 also ascribes knowledge to the Holy Spirit:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28406"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them?   In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of   God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Mark 3:29 indicates that it is even possible to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit! Only God is able to be blasphemed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Psalm 139:7-10 also indicates that the Spirit of God is omnipresent:&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16247"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Where can I go from your Spirit? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Where can I flee from your presence? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16248"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; If I go up to the heavens, you are there; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16249"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; If I rise on the wings of the dawn, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   if I settle on the far side of the sea, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;sup style="font-style: italic;" class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16250"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; even there your hand will guide me, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   your right hand will hold me fast. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;We also learn in Hebrews 9:14 that the Holy Spirit is eternal (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God"&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Does the doctrine of the Trinity violate the law of non-contradiction?&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some  attempt to argue against the Trinity by asserting that the concept is  in violation of the law of non-contradiction. How can God, they ask, be  both one and three at the same time? The law of non-contradiction  asserts that something cannot be 'a' and 'non-a' at the same time and in  the same sense. I do not think the Trinity violates this principle,  however, since the doctrine maintains that God is one in a sense and  three in a different sense. He is one in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;substance&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;essence&lt;/span&gt; but not one in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;person&lt;/span&gt;.  Indeed, many would argue that, in fact, a multiplicity within the  Godhead is the  only way in which God's love can be an eternal attribute  (within a  monadic concept of God, to whom did God show affection  before  creation?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ravi Zacharias explained it like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kreSbagj_RM" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Handling Objections&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most  of the objections to the concept of the Trinity stem from a  misunderstanding thereof. Some point to instances where the Son is  described as subordinate to the Father (e.g. John 5:30; John 14:28; 1 Corinthians  15:28). It is, however, both correct and consistent with the Trinity  that there exists a subordination within the Godhead. Just as a wife  submits to her husband (Ephesians 5:22; Colossians 3:18; 1 Peter 3:1),  so the Son submits to the Father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another objection maintains  that the Trinity is never alluded to in the Old Testament. However, this  is incorrect. For one thing, God often speaks with reference to Himself  using pronouns such as "we" and "us". There are also numerous  preincarnation appearances of Christ (Christophanies), and the coming  Messiah is predicted on numerous occasions. The Son of God receives  mention in several places, such as in Proverbs 30:4, in which we read:&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Who has gone up to heaven and come down? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Whose hands have gathered up the wind? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Who has established all the ends of the earth? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;What is his name, and what is the name of his son? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;   Surely you know! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The  Spirit also features in the Old Testament. For example, Genesis 1:2  says that "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Conclusion&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To  conclude, the concept of the Trinity -- the proposition that God,  though being one in essence, is comprised of three divine persons -- is  thoroughly grounded in Scripture. The Bible attests to the complete and  perfect deity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Though the Father, Son  and Spirit are distinct and non-synonymous, the doctrine does not  violate the law of non-contradiction since theology concerning the  Trinity maintains that God is one in a sense and three in a different  sense. Christians can thus confidently assert and defend the Triune  nature of God, a doctrine extremely unlikely to have arisen as a human invention in the context of monotheistic Judaism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7850891419588748038?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7850891419588748038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/trinity-defended.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7850891419588748038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7850891419588748038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/trinity-defended.html' title='The Trinity Defended'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tu6lb-fTspA/TyRrlmkycgI/AAAAAAAAAHE/ZwPxMCIR7Ik/s72-c/Trinity.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-3927743766332847114</id><published>2012-01-29T07:37:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-04T10:41:47.251-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='What is Apologetics'/><title type='text'>Why Apologetics? Dan Strange</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="400" height="225"&gt;&lt;param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=35196919&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=0&amp;amp;show_byline=0&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=00adef&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&amp;amp;autoplay=0&amp;amp;loop=0" /&gt;&lt;embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=35196919&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=0&amp;amp;show_byline=0&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=00adef&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&amp;amp;autoplay=0&amp;amp;loop=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/35196919"&gt;Dan Strange Apologetics&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/oakhillcollege"&gt;Oak Hill College&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com"&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-3927743766332847114?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3927743766332847114/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-apologetics-dan-strange.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3927743766332847114'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3927743766332847114'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-apologetics-dan-strange.html' title='Why Apologetics? Dan Strange'/><author><name>Dan Rodger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16176322877697068624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8GvJ3UKByfM/TT6dxdYtM4I/AAAAAAAAAKU/B2OKGIWo1Lc/s220/165273_569708542718_36700372_33732832_4598079_n.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-3833407271447732510</id><published>2012-01-28T10:44:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-28T10:45:18.764-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Debates'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Philosophy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Existence of God'/><title type='text'>Duelling Professors: John Lennox and Peter Atkins Debate the Existence of God</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Yx0CXmagQu0" allowfullscreen="" width="600" frameborder="0" height="400"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-3833407271447732510?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3833407271447732510/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/duelling-professors-john-lennox-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3833407271447732510'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/3833407271447732510'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/duelling-professors-john-lennox-and.html' title='Duelling Professors: John Lennox and Peter Atkins Debate the Existence of God'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/Yx0CXmagQu0/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-77239019950670200</id><published>2012-01-28T06:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-28T07:11:01.148-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Genesis and Creation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Genealogies'/><title type='text'>Are the Biblical Genealogies Helpful in Establishing the Age of Man?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b8NOR4gNeiE/TyQJZYeVr0I/AAAAAAAAAG4/E4EEvoIyq8Q/s1600/genealogies.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 307px; height: 230px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b8NOR4gNeiE/TyQJZYeVr0I/AAAAAAAAAG4/E4EEvoIyq8Q/s320/genealogies.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5702693359828971330" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In 1650, James Ussher, the archbishop of Ireland, produced a detailed  Biblical timeline, going all the way back to the creation of man and  the Universe. Based largely on the genealogies given in Genesis 5 and  11, this chronology famously placed the creation of Adam and Eve in the  year 4,004 B.C. Indeed, such a view is espoused by many Bible-believing  Christians, even today. But just how sound &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; this view? Are  Christians really committed to the view that the creation of man  happened no more than 6,000 years ago? It is my personal view that using  the Biblical records in this manner is ultimately misguided, and  misunderstands the nature of ancient genealogies. One crucial  assumption, which is employed in Ussher’s calculation, is the notion  that the relevant genealogies are complete: That is to say, they contain  no gaps or missing names. But are these genealogies actually complete  as Ussher supposed? Here, I attempt to show that such an assumption is  unfounded. &lt;p&gt;Much of the misunderstanding surrounding these genealogies results  because we are reading them in modern English and in the context of  modern western culture. The genealogies were written in ancient Hebrew  and represent ancient Jewish culture. For one thing, the Hebrew word for  “son” (&lt;em&gt;ben&lt;/em&gt;) can mean “son”, “grandson”, “great grandson” or “descendent”. And, likewise, “father” (Hebrew &lt;em&gt;ab&lt;/em&gt;)  can mean "father", "grandfather", "great-grandfather" or "ancestor". For  example, in Genesis 28:13, God says to Jacob, “I am the LORD the God of  your father Abraham and the God of Isaac”. But Abraham wasn’t the &lt;em&gt;father&lt;/em&gt; of Jacob. Isaac was the father of Jacob. Abraham was the father of Isaac, thus making Abraham the &lt;em&gt;grandfather&lt;/em&gt;  of Jacob. That being said, however, the verb used in Genesis 5 and 11  is the Hebrew “yalad” and is translated “became the father of” in the  NIV and “begat” in the KJV. So, it does not even use the word “father” (&lt;em&gt;ab&lt;/em&gt;),  but rather “yalad” (which is similarly flexible in its meaning). This  verb can mean giving birth to someone who is ancestral to the next  person named (with many generations skipped). One example of this is the  genealogy of Moses in Exodus 6. These genealogies report that Amram and  his wife Jochebed “begat” (Hebrew &lt;em&gt;yalad&lt;/em&gt;) Moses (two times) and refers to him as “son” (Hebrew &lt;em&gt;ben&lt;/em&gt;).  Thus, on at least two occasions, it uses the very same verb as used in  Genesis 5 and 11. But what is important to notice here is that Amram and  Jochebed lived at the time when the Jews entered Egypt while Moses was  80 years old during the exodus some 430 years later. This entails that  approximately 350 years (and likely a minimum of 6 generations) lies  between Amram/Jochebed and Moses. Thus, literally, it should be rendered  ‘Jochebed begat a son (unnamed) who was ancestral to Moses’.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;For a thorough discussion of this fascinating topic, I refer readers to &lt;a href="http://www.reasons.org/files/non-staff-papers/The-Genesis-Genealogies.pdf"&gt;this excellent paper&lt;/a&gt;  by Dr. John Millam. The article lists the following examples where one  can definitively say that the genealogies have been telescoped in this  manner:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Matthew 1:8 compared to 2 Chronicles 21:4-26:23&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Matthew 1:8 has  Jehoram listed as the father of Uzziah but   there were several generations  between these men.  The names Ahaziah (2   Chronicles 22:1), Joash (2 Chronicles  22:11), and Amaziah (2   Chronicles 24:27) come between Jehoram and Uzziah.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Matthew 1:11 compared to 2 Chronicles 36:1-9&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;In Matthew 1:11 we  read that Josiah is the father of Jeconiah   (Jehoiachin).  In 2 Chronicles, we  see that Josiah is the father of   Jehoiakim (2 Chronicles 36:4) and grandfather  of Jehoiachin (2   Chronicles 36:8).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luke 3:35-36 compared to Genesis 10:24, 11:12; 1 Chronicles 1:24&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Luke contains the name Cainan between Shelah and Arphaxad that  is  missing in Genesis 10:24 and 11:12 and 1 Chronicles 1:24.  Since all   of the genealogies are true and Luke is the one with more  names, then  Luke must  be more complete and the rest more telescoped.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ezra 7:1-5 compared to 1 Chronicles 6:3-15&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;The genealogy of 1  Chronicles 6:3-15 lists the descendents of   Aaron down to Jehozadak (Jozadak).   Ezra 7 lists Ezra’s own genealogy   going back to Aaron.  Where the two  genealogies overlap, 1 Chronicles   contains 22 names and Ezra contains 16 names,  making Ezra’s genealogy   no more than 70% complete. Both  genealogies span a time period of  about 860 years  from the exodus to the fall of  Jerusalem, which  suggests that both  genealogies are in fact highly telescoped.   A  thorough search of the  Old Testament reveals that there were many high  priests  during this  time period who are not included in either of  these two genealogies,   which provides additional evidence that these  genealogies are not  complete.  The  following high priests are known  from the OT but are not  included in these  genealogies:  Jehoiada (2  Kings 12:2), Uriah (2  Kings 16:10-16), possibly two  Azariahs (2  Chronicles 26:17, 20;  31:10-31), Eli (1 Samuel 1:9; 14:3) and  Abiathar  (2 Samuel 8:17).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1 Samuel 16:10-13 compared to 1 Chronicles 2:13-15&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;In the 1  Samuel passage, the prophet Samuel goes to Jesse to   anoint one of his sons as  the new king of Israel.  Jesse has his seven   eldest sons pass before Samuel but  each is rejected.  Finally, David,   the 8&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; son is brought in and is  anointed by Samuel as king.  We find in 1 Chronicles, however, that David is  listed as the 7&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; son of Jesse.  One of David’s brothers is omitted  from the list to allow David to occupy the favored 7&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; position.   This may seem a bit odd to modern readers but this was an accepted genealogical  practice."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;One question which often comes up is the literary construct of the  genealogical reports. For example, according to Genesis 5:9-11,&lt;em&gt;  “When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. And   after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other   sons and daughters. Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he   died.”&lt;/em&gt; Some have suggested that the understanding, proposed above,  of Biblical genealogies faces difficulty in accounting for the fact that  the  text would still read: &lt;em&gt;“When Enosh had lived 90 years, be became the &lt;strong&gt;ancestor&lt;/strong&gt;  of Kenan…Enosh lived 815 years and had other descendants.”&lt;/em&gt;  The dates, it is argued, would remain unchanged, even when considering  this  interpretation - whether Enosh became the father or ancestor of  Kenan at  age 90, it is argued, is irrelevant to the calculation. In  light of what I have tried to show above, however, it is my view that  the correct rendering of the text runs along the lines of: “At age 90,  Enosh gave birth to a son whose descendants would include Kenan.” Thus,  the 90 years refers to when Enosh became a father, not when Kenan was  born. While this may seem very peculiar (or even wrong) in English, one  must always keep in mind that we are dealing with an ancient Hebrew  genealogy.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In conclusion, to try to place dates on Biblical events, squarely on  the basis of the genealogies alone, faces significant obstacles, and  springs from a misapprehension of the nature of ancient Hebrew  genealogies. It is also important to bear in mind that this argument  does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; concern or address the age of the earth (nor, for that  matter, the proper interpretation of Genesis 1). Rather, all it shows  is that the Christian need not feel committed, as many contend that we  are, to placing the creation of Adam roughly 6,000 years ago. Moreover,  such a conclusion may be accepted by young-earth and old-earth advocate  alike (I personally fall into the latter of those camps). On the flip  side of the coin, the non-believer need not be turned off Christianity  by the apparently extremely recent origin of modern humans. There is  simply no compelling Biblical mandate for supposing that this is the  case.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-77239019950670200?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/77239019950670200/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/are-biblical-genealogies-helpful-in.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/77239019950670200'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/77239019950670200'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/are-biblical-genealogies-helpful-in.html' title='Are the Biblical Genealogies Helpful in Establishing the Age of Man?'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b8NOR4gNeiE/TyQJZYeVr0I/AAAAAAAAAG4/E4EEvoIyq8Q/s72-c/genealogies.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-4740562296370944101</id><published>2012-01-28T06:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-28T06:38:56.904-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Events and Announcements'/><title type='text'>Peter Atkins to debate UK Apologetics blogger</title><content type='html'>So, I've just heard that Peter Atkins has agreed to debate with me on the question, "Does God Exist?" The debate will take place in Oxford on April 27th, 2012. I, for one, am very excited about this, with the opportunity to debate a distinguished proponent of atheism and also to contend for the faith in a largely secular and apathetic city. Prayers that people would consider the claims of Christ as a result of the debate would be enormously appreciated, as would prayers for my preparation (it's just a few weeks before my university finals) and confidence in debate!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any readers are more than welcome to come - look forward to seeing you there!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Calum&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-4740562296370944101?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4740562296370944101/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/peter-atkins-to-debate-uk-apologetics.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4740562296370944101'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/4740562296370944101'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/peter-atkins-to-debate-uk-apologetics.html' title='Peter Atkins to debate UK Apologetics blogger'/><author><name>Calum Miller</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09612773672997474524</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-7577302096771812610</id><published>2012-01-27T04:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-27T04:58:20.320-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Resurrection'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>NT Wright Lectures on the Historicity of Jesus' Resurrection</title><content type='html'>&lt;iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/z-sXhgOroKQ" allowfullscreen="" width="600" frameborder="0" height="400"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3540071429816533590-7577302096771812610?l=apologeticsuk.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7577302096771812610/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/nt-wright-lectures-on-historicity-of.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7577302096771812610'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3540071429816533590/posts/default/7577302096771812610'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://apologeticsuk.blogspot.com/2012/01/nt-wright-lectures-on-historicity-of.html' title='NT Wright Lectures on the Historicity of Jesus&apos; Resurrection'/><author><name>Jonathan Mclatchie</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106574852680885766</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='30' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zOcSjDqgW44/TwY2EiNHhRI/AAAAAAAAAAg/227lLiIxm4E/s220/jonathan.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/z-sXhgOroKQ/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3540071429816533590.post-1862748097784184096</id><published>2012-01-27T01:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-20T09:11:23.336-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics and Society'/><title type='text'>Why I Cannot Support Same Sex Marriage</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Dd8C1m3H2ws/TyJz_l4bngI/AAAAAAAAAGs/ofaVYRNaV84/s1600/same-sex-marriage.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 226px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Dd8C1m3H2ws/TyJz_l4bngI/AAAAAAAAAGs/ofaVYRNaV84/s320/same-sex-marriage.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5702247614542224898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Same sex marriage has been a very topical subject in Scotland over recent months, with the &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14764707"&gt;launch of a consultation&lt;/a&gt; by the Scottish National Party (SNP) — &lt;a href="http://news.stv.tv/politics/286337-same-sex-marriage-consultation-to-close/"&gt;which closed&lt;/a&gt;  on Friday 9th December — on whether marriage in Scotland should be  redefined to effectively legalise gay marriage and religious ceremonies  for civil partnerships.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Scottish government has stated that it was its original position  that marriage should be redefined, though Nicola Sturgeon — the Health  Secretary — has said that religious organisations should not be forced  to perform same-sex weddings should they not want to. It will be very interesting to see how long that lasts. After all, SNP MSP John Mason — a Christian —  sparked a row last year following his support for a parliamentary motion  that no religious group should be compelled to approve of or facilitate  same-sex unions. According to Nicola Sturgeon, a survey of Scottish  Social Attitudes has revealed that over 60% of Scots endorse the  proposed change, with 19% dissenting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The curious thing about this whole controversy is that same sex couples can &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt;  enter into a ‘civil partnership’ which effectively offers them all the  same legal recognition and rights that marriage does. The only real  difference is that the ceremonies are not able to be performed in  religious premises. It is also curious that most homosexuals with whom I  have spoken concerning this issue have no desire for a religious  marriage ceremony. For those reasons, I am inclined to be skeptical that  this controversy was ever really about marriage — &lt;i&gt;it’s about legitimisation.&lt;/i&gt; It’s about making a declaration — a statement — that homosexual and heterosexual relationships are equally valid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the record, it is my position that there is &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;no Biblical warrant or support&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;  for homosexual relationships. And while I think that generally  Scripture ought not be the dictator of public policy, this case strikes  me as different because they are seeking to involve Christian — or  otherwise religious — institutions. Christian organisations ought to be  free to base their activity on &lt;i&gt;Christian principles.&lt;/i&gt; It is thus very relevant what the Christian worldview entails on the matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Same-Sex Marriage and The Polygamy Double-Standard&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, there are various  reasons why a revision of the current  (traditional) view of marriage, in my opinion, would be overall  non-conducive to society’s best interests. For one thing, if the  definition of marriage is fundamentally malleable, then are we to expect  to hear next from those seeking “equal rights” for polygamous marriage  (as is already seen in Canada)? How can you grant legitimacy to one and  not the other? After all, they use essentially the same arguments.  Indeed, The Guardian recently published an &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/nov/30/heterosexuality-canada-law-monogamy-polygamy"&gt;interesting article&lt;/a&gt; entitled &lt;i&gt;“Polygamy in Canada: A Case of Double Standards”&lt;/i&gt;, observing,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"What the polygamists argued is that this new definition discriminates  against them because it continues to insist on monogamy in the same way  that the previous definition insisted on both monogamy and  heterosexuality. It was a logical argument that was rejected by Bauman  who in his judgment gave a spirited defence of the virtues of monogamy  as being a fundamental principle of western civilisation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Bauman  said that the preservation of monogamous marriage "represents a pressing  and substantial objective for all of the reasons that have seen the  ascendance of monogamous marriage as a norm in the west," and that "the  law seeks to advance the institution of monogamous marriage, a  fundamental value in western society from the earliest of times." He  also launched an all-out attack on the concept of polygamy, which he  said "has been condemned throughout history because of the harms  consistently associated with its practice". "There is no such thing as  so-called 'good polygamy'," he added.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Now, I agree with Bauman in  his defence of the importance of monogamous marriage to society. But I  find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as  the historic norm in the west when the laws of Canada have already  departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage  that is essential to social stability. Put bluntly, if heterosexuality  is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why  should monogamy continue to be so important?"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Same-Sex Marriage and Legitimacy&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, schools will be expected to promote and endorse same sex  marriage as just as legitimate as heterosexual marriage. As Frank Turek  has pointed out, in his book &lt;i&gt;Correct, not Politically Correct: How Same Sex Marriage Hurts Everyone,&lt;/i&gt;  “The law is a great teacher — many people think that whatever is legal  is moral and, therefore, should be accepted. We only need to look at two  of the most divisive issues in the history of our country — slavery and  abortion — to see the power of the law to influence attitudes and  behavior.” As Frank Turek &lt;a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/frankturek/2008/05/26/gay_marriage_even_liberals_know_its_bad/page/full/"&gt;discusses here&lt;/a&gt;,  there is a correlation between legalisation of same-sex-marriage and  the number of children born outside of wedlock. He writes, &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“We can see the connection between same-sex marriage and  illegitimacy in Scandinavian countries. Norway, for example, has had  de-facto same-sex marriage since the early nineties. In Nordland, the  most liberal county of Norway, where they fly “gay” rainbow flags over  their churches, out-of-wedlock births have soared—more than 80 percent  of women giving birth for the first time, and nearly 70 percent of all  children, are born out of wedlock! Across all of Norway, illegitimacy  rose from 39 percent to 50 percent in the first decade of same-sex  marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anthropologist Stanley Kurtz writes, “When we look at Nordland and  Nord-Troendelag — the Vermont and Massachusetts of Norway — we are  peering as far as we can into the future of marriage in a world where  gay marriage is almost totally accepted. What we see is a place where  marriage itself has almost totally disappeared.” He asserts that  “Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage  itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including  out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.””&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; Already, &lt;a href="http://www.stonewall.org.uk/education_for_all/"&gt;Stonewall’s “Education for All”&lt;/a&gt;  education pack for teachers promotes the reading of pro-homosexual  story books in class and acting out as plays, and even contains explicit  recommendations that students should be taught to be resilient to the  views and values of their parents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Men and women &lt;i&gt;are not interchangeable&lt;/i&gt;. I believe that each plays  an important role in the upbringing and raising of a child. In his book,  Frank Turek quotes David Blankenhorn’s &lt;i&gt;The Future of Marriage,&lt;/i&gt; in which he writes, &lt;i&gt;“Across  history and cultures . . . marriage’s single most fundamental idea is  that every child needs a mother and a father. Changing marriage to  accommodate same-sex couples would nullify this principle in culture and  in law.”&lt;/i&gt; Another important point is that same-sex parents are  liable to confuse their child’s sexual/gender identity. As Dr. Michael  Brown &lt;a href="http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2010/10/25/gay-is-good-or-bullying-is-bad-a-teachable-moment/"&gt;notes here,&lt;/a&gt;  it is already official school policy in San Francisco that a boy who  identifies as transgender can turn up to school wearing a girl’s dress  and utilise the girls’ bathroom and locker room. This is not an isolated  incident, and situations like this are becoming increasingly more  common. Indeed, in 2010, the Maine Human Rights Commission &lt;a href="http://www.wnd.com/2010/02/125176/"&gt;proposed&lt;/a&gt;  allowing "transgender" boys to utilise the female restrooms in all  Maine schools. Furthermore, owing to pressure from the "gay rights"  lobby, "mother" and "father" on passport forms are &lt;a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2044491/PC-passport-Goodbye-mother-father-Now-Parent-1-2-appear-form.html"&gt;being replaced&lt;/a&gt; with "parent 1" and "parent 2". Macy's department store recently &lt;a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/macys-fires-christian-worker-for-not-allowing-transgender-in-womens-fitting-room-64237/"&gt;fired an employee&lt;/a&gt;  who prevented a cross-dressing man from entering the female dressing  room while there were women in there trying on clothes. Sadly, those  incidents are only the peak of the ice berg.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Same-Sex Marriage: Other Considerations&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Religious liberty is also, it would seem, a target. Take, for example, the &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12214368"&gt;relatively recent case&lt;/a&gt;  of Mr &amp;amp; Mrs Bull. They were fined £3,600 for declining to rent a  double room to a gay couple, despite the fact that it had been against  their long-term policy statement to allow unmarried couples to share a  room.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An article entitled &lt;a href="http://www.marriageresourcesforclergy.com/site/Articles/articles011.htm"&gt;"Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples",&lt;/a&gt; by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey, looks at various published studies and draws several startling conclusions, including that: &lt;blockquote&gt;- Heterosexual marriages generally last longer as compared to homosexual ones&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Partners involved in heterosexual relationships are more likely to remain faithful than partners involved in homosexual ones&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Where gay marriage or civil partnership is legal, the overwhelming majority of homosexuals do not register their union&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Individuals involved homosexual relationships are at a much higher  risk of contracting disease or other health problems than are  heterosexual relationships&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Intimate partner violence is more frequent in homosexual relationships than in heterosexual ones.&lt;/blockquote&gt; There is a common misperception that opposing the proposed redefinition  of marriage is tantamount to an endorsement of discrimination against  homosexual people. This is not the case. There is a fundamental  difference between discrimination &lt;i&gt;against persons&lt;/i&gt; and disrimination &lt;i&gt;against behaviour.&lt;/i&gt; All laws discriminate against behaviour when that activity is deemed to be destructive to ones-self or to others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An organisation called &lt;a href="http://scotlandformarriage.org/"&gt;“Scotland for Marriage”&lt;/a&gt; recently emerged in an effort to combat the proposed redefinition of marriage in Scotland. It will be interesting to see how things develop over the coming months,  in both Europe and America. It may well be that the days of free speech  on this matter are numbered. Speak out while you still can.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Recommended Resources&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Correct-Politically-Same-Sex-Marriage-Everyone/dp/1607081628"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Correct Not Politically Correct: How Same Sex&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Hurts Everyone&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  (Dr. Frank Turek) — Persuasively argues that same-sex-marriage is not  conducive to the best interests of society. This is also the book &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QOVtxFBpY"&gt;which recently cost Dr. Frank Turek&lt;/a&gt; his employment with Cisco and Bank of America!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Marriage-Trial-Against-Same-Sex-Parenting/dp/0830832742/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1323129318&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marriage on Trial: The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage and Parenting&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Glenn T. Stanton and Dr. Bill Maier) — Convincingly defends the traditional view of marriage and parenting.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://shakinandshinin.org/Files/WhatIsMarriage.pdf"&gt;&lt;em&gt;What is Ma
